Possibility to see Higgs particles at the International Linear Collider

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The discussion centers on the potential for the International Linear Collider (ILC) to produce and study Higgs particles, particularly in the context of its energy capabilities and advantages over the Large Hadron Collider (LHC). Participants explore the implications of Higgs mass on collider design and the feasibility of constructing the ILC.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that if there is a strong signal for a Higgs particle around 125 GeV, the ILC could indeed probe that energy and produce Higgs particles for study.
  • Others argue that while the ILC could study the Higgs in more detail than the LHC, its construction is unlikely due to high costs and changing scientific priorities.
  • There is a discussion about the necessity for the ILC to demonstrate capability in studying the Higgs boson to justify its projected high cost (~$10B).
  • Some participants note that the design of the ILC depends on the Higgs mass, which influences the required energy levels for effective operation.
  • It is mentioned that electron-positron colliders like the ILC have advantages over proton colliders due to better energy resolution and the ability to tune energy to match the Higgs resonance, enhancing cross sections.
  • A participant points out a misunderstanding regarding the nature of collisions in proton colliders, clarifying that they involve partons, which include both quarks and gluons.
  • Another participant expresses hope for the construction of a linear collider to further investigate the Higgs, suggesting that plans may solidify as more data is gathered from the LHC.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a mix of agreement and disagreement regarding the feasibility and design considerations of the ILC. While some support the idea of the ILC's potential, others highlight significant challenges and uncertainties surrounding its construction and purpose.

Contextual Notes

The discussion reflects uncertainties regarding the Higgs mass and its implications for collider design, as well as the evolving landscape of particle physics research priorities that may affect the ILC's future.

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I was wondering, if there was a hint or a strong signal of a Higgs particle existing around the 125 GeV region whether the possible future International Linear Collider would be able to probe that energy and produce Higgs to study? Also, if this is true, is it also true that the linear collider would be able to study such a Higgs in more detail than the LHC can?
 
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The answer is yes and yes, but it's also unlikely that an ILC as originally envisioned will ever be built. The other rationale for the ILC, to study low energy SUSY, is in trouble given the LHC results. A cheaper, less capable machine is something that might be considered: a Higgs factory could be built using a synchrotron, for example.
 
Given the ILC's projected high cost (~$10B) and effort required, capability to study the Higgs boson is an absolute must if it's ever going to be built. Especially the design hinges on what the Higgs mass is, and therefore how much energy will be required. For a low-mass Higgs (e.g. 125 GeV) the original ILC at 500 GeV would be enough. They've also considered a 1 TeV design, as well as a 3 GeV CLIC. People will probably argue for higher energy anyway, enough that supersymmetry will also be within reach.

All of these machines are electron-positron colliders. Proton colliders like the LHC are really quark colliders, and the individual quarks inside the proton have a considerable spread in energy, which limits the energy resolution of your results. But if you're colliding electrons you know the energy more precisely, and that's their big advantage.

The LEP, which previously occupied the site where the LHC is now, was an electron-positron ring collider which operated at energies up to 200 GeV. Such colliders must cope with a large amount of synchrotron radiation - the main difficulty is radiation damage to the instrumentation.
 
Bill_K said:
...Proton colliders like the LHC are really quark colliders, and the individual quarks inside the proton have a considerable spread in energy, which limits the energy resolution of your results...
I've read somewhere that the LHC actually collides gluons rather than quarks.

(Still don't fully understand this myself even just at phenomenology level, so if anyone can provide further enlightenment, please do. Naively, I would have thought that colliding gluons means that the ones involved would carry even lower proportions of the originating protons' momenta than the valence quarks.)
 
:redface: Sorry, I should have said partons, which includes both gluons and quarks.
 
Bill_K said:
Given the ILC's projected high cost (~$10B) and effort required, capability to study the Higgs boson is an absolute must if it's ever going to be built. Especially the design hinges on what the Higgs mass is, and therefore how much energy will be required. For a low-mass Higgs (e.g. 125 GeV) the original ILC at 500 GeV would be enough. They've also considered a 1 TeV design, as well as a 3 GeV CLIC. People will probably argue for higher energy anyway, enough that supersymmetry will also be within reach.

All of these machines are electron-positron colliders. Proton colliders like the LHC are really quark colliders, and the individual quarks inside the proton have a considerable spread in energy, which limits the energy resolution of your results. But if you're colliding electrons you know the energy more precisely, and that's their big advantage.

The LEP, which previously occupied the site where the LHC is now, was an electron-positron ring collider which operated at energies up to 200 GeV. Such colliders must cope with a large amount of synchrotron radiation - the main difficulty is radiation damage to the instrumentation.

I do hope they build some sort of linear collider to investigate the higgs further. Perhaps plans will emerge and become more concrete once more data is accumulated at the LHC. Thanks for the info :)
 
Bill_K said:
...which limits the energy resolution of your results. But if you're colliding electrons you know the energy more precisely, and that's their big advantage.
Another advantage is that e+/e- energy can be tuned to match the Higgs resonance, which enhances cross sections considerably.
 

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