Possible Explanations for Earth's Unique Characteristics

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The discussion centers on the unique characteristics of Earth compared to other planets in the universe, exploring various observable traits and their implications. Participants consider factors such as the presence of a large moon, planetary stability, and the potential for life, while also addressing the limitations of current astronomical observations.

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  • Exploratory
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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that Earth's large moon stabilizes its spin axis, preventing chaotic variations in its axial tilt.
  • Others argue that the vast number of planets (approximately 10^24) in the universe implies that Earth may not be unique, and that many planets could possess unique characteristics.
  • There is a contention regarding the estimation of the number of planets, with some participants questioning whether the figure of 10^24 is an overestimate based on the number of stars and their likelihood of hosting planets.
  • Some participants propose that the mechanisms for forming planet-moon pairs, like Earth's, may not be common, raising questions about the uniqueness of such moons.
  • Concerns are raised about the necessity of a large moon for planetary stability, citing examples of moonless planets like Venus and Mercury, which exhibit different rotational characteristics.
  • Participants discuss the implications of Earth's characteristics for supporting intelligent life and whether such traits are unique or merely rare among the vast number of planets.
  • There is a debate about the phrasing of the original question regarding Earth's uniqueness, with some suggesting that a single observable characteristic may not adequately capture the complexity of the issue.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express multiple competing views regarding the uniqueness of Earth, the role of its moon, and the implications of the vast number of planets in the universe. The discussion remains unresolved with no consensus on the key characteristics that define Earth's uniqueness.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the speculative nature of estimating the number of planets and the lack of comprehensive knowledge about planetary systems beyond our own. The discussion also highlights the complexity of defining uniqueness in the context of numerous variables influencing planetary characteristics.

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  • #32
True. Without a moon of sufficient size there would be no stabilisation.
Without water in the liquid phase no tides and maybe no life.
All seem unique to me but as mentioned above how do you confirm this planet is unique in the observable universe?
 
  • #33
No tides? No. There will still be solar tides. With regard to uniqueness, we do not know. At present, the only confirmation regarding the uniqueness (or lack thereof) of the Earth is a sample size of one: Our own solar system. Assessing this hypothesis with respect to a tiny chunk of our galaxy but outside our solar system might be possible in the near future. Assessing it with respect to the observable universe at large? Never.
 
  • #34
Ooops, yes. Solar tides. But would that have been sufficient to maintain spin stabilisation? Would the limited range of solar tides have encouraged life to adapt to less exposed land surfaces?

The geological time required for life, from first appearance in water, to adapt to dry(ish) land was far longer than the time to present.

Without the moon, life as we know it may not have been possible.

There is geological and paleontological evidence that the Earth rotated faster and that the Moon was closer to the Earth in the remote past.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tidal_acceleration
 
  • #35
Plate tectonics. The stabilisation of atmospheric composition, the presence of terrestrial environments in addition to the marine, the maintenance of mean temperatures in the stability range of liquid water, all of these would not be possible without active plate tectonics. This in turn is contingent upon stochastic processes in the accretionary disc from which the Earth formed, in as much as this determined crustal thickness and established whether plate tectonics would be a long term affair as on Earth, a short term affair as on Mars, or a periodic catastrophic affair as on Venus.
 
  • #36
Ophiolite said:
Plate tectonics. ... or a periodic catastrophic affair as on Venus.


What evidence is there to substantiate that the apparent catastrophic affair on Venus was periodic, rather than unique, one time only?
 
  • #37
There are two principal options:
1. The resurfacing event that occurred around 600 million years ago and the stagnant lid period that preceded it, were themselves preceded by 'conventional' plate tectonics.
2. The resurfacing event etc, was the most recent in a series of such events.

You have to dispose of the internal heat. These are the two obvious mechanisms. I have a gut feel - unquantified - that continuous conventional plate tectonics should have maintained water content on the planet, so I lean to the possibility of periodic resurfacing. The evidence is consisten with either.
 
  • #38
Richard111 said:
Ooops, yes. Solar tides. But would that have been sufficient to maintain spin stabilisation? Would the limited range of solar tides have encouraged life to adapt to less exposed land surfaces?
AFAIK, the tides are not the mechanism by which the Moon aids in keeping the Earth's rotation stable. Tides are dissipative forces. The same gravity gradient forces that cause the tides also induce a conservative torque on the Earth as a whole. This torque, averaged out over the Moon's 18.6 year nodical period, results in the 26,000 year lunisolar precession.


Richard111 said:
Without the moon, life as we know it may not have been possible.
Emphasis mine. This is purely conjectural.


Richard111 said:
wikipedia said:
There is geological and paleontological evidence that the Earth rotated faster and that the Moon was closer to the Earth in the remote past.
I am not debating that the Moon slows the Earth's rotation rate. That is a fact. What is debatable is whether the Earth's day would be eight hours long if the Moon never existed. If indeed the Moon formed from a collision between the Earth and Theia, we do not know how much the collision itself changed the Earth's rotation rate.
 
  • #39
Ophiolite said:
There are two principal options:
1. The resurfacing event that occurred around 600 million years ago and the stagnant lid period that preceded it, were themselves preceded by 'conventional' plate tectonics.
2. The resurfacing event etc, was the most recent in a series of such events.

You have to dispose of the internal heat. These are the two obvious mechanisms. I have a gut feel - unquantified - that continuous conventional plate tectonics should have maintained water content on the planet, so I lean to the possibility of periodic resurfacing. The evidence is consisten with either.

but these are still suppositions following assumptions about heat and heat production in the core, which are also hypotheses. How many times did Venus lose its spinning energy for instance (due to the chaotic zone)? and how about possible relationships there?
 
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Andre said:
but these are still suppositions following assumptions about heat and heat production in the core, which are also hypotheses.
There are no assumptions here, only reasonable deductions leading to plausible hypotheses.
You will note in an earlier post I talk of two principal explanations. I do not rule out other possibilities, but simply find these two are the most probable based upon our current understanding.

Since I also think Venus suffered one or more catastrophic collisions akin to what formed the moon, or stripped mantle from Mercury, then issues of angular momentum cease to be insoluble problems.
 

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