Possible to make 2 beams of light cancel?

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The discussion revolves around the possibility of making two beams of light from different sources cancel each other out through interference. Participants explore the theoretical aspects of light wave superposition, the conditions required for cancellation, and the implications of energy conservation in such scenarios.

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  • One participant wonders if two beams of light can cancel each other out, referencing experiments like the double slit experiment.
  • Another participant suggests that cancellation could theoretically occur through wave superposition, but notes the difficulty of achieving this in practice.
  • It is proposed that for cancellation to occur, the beams must have the same frequency and be perfectly aligned, though this would lead to constructive interference in other directions due to energy conservation.
  • A request for existing experiments demonstrating this phenomenon is made, particularly those available online.
  • A participant explains that if cancellation occurs at certain points, constructive interference must occur elsewhere, referencing a specific scenario involving phase differences between the beams.

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Participants generally agree on the theoretical possibility of cancellation under specific conditions, but there is no consensus on the existence of experiments that demonstrate this phenomenon or on the implications of energy conservation in the context of light interference.

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The discussion highlights the complexity of light interference, including the need for precise alignment and frequency matching, as well as the implications of energy conservation that complicate the idea of complete cancellation.

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Individuals interested in optics, wave phenomena, and experimental physics may find this discussion relevant.

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Last night, I was doing some really cool stuff with light interference, like the double split experiment and such. so, then i started wondering, is it possible to make 2 beams of light from different sources cancel each other out? [see attachment (gray are represents steam or something to make the beams visible)] i looked on the internet quite a bit and couldn't find anything :/
 

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Yes, you could theoretically make them cancel using wave superposition. But it would be very hard to do.
 
Probably, if they have exactly the same frequency, and you align them perfectly, it would be possible to cancel them in one direction. But I suppose you would have constructive interference in another direction (something with energy conservation).
 
ok, that's what i thought... but, does anyone know of any experiments that have been done that show this? (preferably on the internet so that i can look them up)
 
CompuChip is right, if the beams cancel in some place(s), they must constructively interfere somewhere else in order to conserve energy.

I never heard of experiments with light beams whose purpose was to confirm energy conservation. But we can look at specific examples, like the one depicted in Post #1, and show why we can't have cancellation everywhere.

Looking at the picture in Post #1, suppose there is a point within the beam-overlap where we have cancellation. That is, there is a 180 phase difference between the 2 beams at that point.

Now all you have to do is move 1/2 wavelength along one of the beams, so that the phase will change by 180 degrees for that beam. But for the other beam, you are moving across the beam and so there is no phase change for this second beam.

The net phase change is then 180 degrees. Coupled with the initial 180 degree phase difference, there is zero phase difference (i.e. complete constructive interference) in this 2nd location.

Regards,

Mark
 

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