Potential associated with a conservative force field F

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between conservative force fields and potential energy, specifically examining the expressions for force and potential in the context of electric fields and other forces.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants explore the derivation of force from potential energy and question the necessity of introducing additional potential functions. There is a discussion on the distinctions between force, field, and potential, and how they relate to each other mathematically.

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The conversation is ongoing, with various interpretations being explored. Some participants provide insights into the mathematical relationships and definitions, while others express differing views on the necessity of certain formulations. No explicit consensus has been reached.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the potential can be defined up to an arbitrary constant, and there are considerations regarding the behavior of potential at infinity in relation to electric fields.

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Given the potential energy, the force is obtained as F = -∇U(r). A conservative force field F is associated with a potential f by F = ∇f.
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Does the first expression arise from this last one? If so, with -∇U(r), would one obtain the electric field E instead of the force F?
Given the potential energy, the force is obtained as F = -∇U(r). A conservative force field F is associated with a potential f by F = ∇f. Does the first expression arise from this last one? If so, with -∇U(r), would one obtain the electric field E instead of the force F?
 
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F=-\nabla U
is enough. I feel no necessity to introduce f of f=-U + const.
 
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Force, field and potential are 3 different things. But can be correlated each other. Field like E is a space deformation (can be due to an extra charge for example) then some field like the electrostatic can be associated to potential V, E= -nabla V is correct. Then when comes another charge q in the field Coulomb law acts and F=qE. So you have U(r)= qV(r).
V is generally determined with a constant. For electrical field V=0 when r is infinite.
Mathematically this constant disappears in calculation (derivation or integration)
 
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A force is a vector field, ##\vec{F}(\vec{x})##. If it's conservative, there exists a scalar potential, ##U##, then by definition
$$\vec{F}(\vec{x})=-\vec{\nabla} U(\vec{x}).$$
If ##\vec{\nabla} \times \vec{F}=0## in an open singly-connected neighborhood of a point, then there exists a potential (at least) in this neighborhood (Poincare's Lemma).

The potential is determined only up to an arbitrary additive constant. Indeed it's convenient to define it to go to 0 at infinity (if possible for the given force).
 
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