Potential Energy of a Liquid - Why is it Negative for Small Molar Volumes?

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The discussion revolves around the potential energy of liquid Helium-4 as it relates to its molar volume, particularly focusing on why this potential energy is negative for small molar volumes. The inquiry touches on concepts from low-temperature physics and the forces between atoms.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes a graph showing the potential energy of liquid Helium-4, which transitions from positive to negative as molar volume decreases, and then increases non-linearly with larger molar volumes.
  • The same participant questions the nature of this potential energy and its negative value, suggesting it may relate to pressure and expressing uncertainty about atomic forces.
  • Another participant requests a copy of the graph to facilitate understanding of the discussed concepts.
  • A later reply expresses a lack of ability to assist further in the discussion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

The discussion remains unresolved, with no consensus on the interpretation of the potential energy or the underlying atomic interactions involved.

Contextual Notes

The discussion does not clarify the assumptions regarding atomic forces or the definitions of potential energy in this context, leaving these aspects open to interpretation.

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I was just reading a book on low-temperature physics and stumbled upon a graph that shows the energy of liquid Helium-4 in relation to its molar volume. The graph includes both zero-point energy and the potential energy of the liquid, and the latter goes steeply (basically a vertical line) from being positive for the smallest of molar volumes to being negative, and then gradually (non-linearly) increases as molar volume increases.

So I was wondering what exactly is this potential energy and why is it negative? I've found something online that suggest this potential energy represents pressure. Since I just finished my first year of undergrad, I'm not aware of all the forces between atoms, so I can't really explain why this energy would be more negative with smaller molar volumes. Do they repel each other, and repulsion as opposed to attraction is taken to be negative?

Thanks in advance for any help.
 
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Any chance you could get us a copy of the graph? Maybe scanning it or something? It would be much easier to understand then.
 


Sure, here it is (as you've undoubtedly noticed, it's a crappy MS Paint replication due to lack of scanner, and the lines aren't supposed to be as wobbly :smile:):
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Hrmm. I don't know. I wish I could help you.
 

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