Potential Energy of a Pendulum

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The discussion revolves around the potential energy of a pendulum at various points in its swing, exploring the relationship between height, angle, and energy. Participants also touch on kinetic energy and the overall energy dynamics of a pendulum in simple harmonic motion (SHM).

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  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant asks about the potential energy of a pendulum at any point.
  • Another participant suggests using the formula for potential energy, U = mgh, and emphasizes the need to express height (h) in terms of the pendulum's length and angle.
  • A different participant provides a derivation for height (h) based on the pendulum's length (L) and angle (θ), concluding that potential energy can be expressed as P.E = mg(L - Lcosθ).
  • One participant notes the assumption that the pendulum's string has negligible mass.
  • A later participant raises a related question about the relationship between potential and kinetic energy, and how to graph energy versus time, expressing uncertainty about whether the graph will be sinusoidal.
  • This participant also considers the differences in energy graphs for small angles versus larger angles, mentioning the potential need for elliptic integrals.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants present various viewpoints and calculations regarding potential energy, kinetic energy, and their relationships. There is no consensus on the graphical representation of energy versus time, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of different angle ranges.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions include the negligible mass of the pendulum string and the conditions under which the energy expressions are valid. The discussion also hints at complexities in analyzing energy behavior at larger angles, which may involve advanced mathematical concepts.

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What is the potential energy of a pendulum at any point?
 
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Assuming a standard pendulum?

The potential energy can be computed through m g h. So you need to find an expression for h at "any point", which you can do through knowing the radius of the trajectory and the angle.
 
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Welllllll...
If you say the pendulums length is "L" then when the pendulum swings "up" through an angle θ it will be displaced a vertical displacement "h".
Make a right triangle with θ at the hinge point. The hypotenuse is "L" and the adjacent side is "x"
so cosθ=x/L so x=Lcosθ.
But if x is the adjacent side, it is also equal to L-h, sooo..
L-h=Lcosθ which means h=L-Lcosθ.
Thus Potential energy at any point is P.E=mg(L-Lcosθ)
 
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I am assuming the pendulum "string" has a negligible mass as well..
 
Hi, I just have a related question on the energies of a pendulum, and am not looking to start a new thread (unless mod feels it should be).

F the potential energy and kinetic energy are given by
U(θ)=mgLθ )
K(θ)= mgL(cosθmax-cosθ)
*Since kinetic energy simply is difference between mechanical and potential energy, where the total mechanical energy is equal to the potential energy at θmax

I'm trying to plot or find the equation of a graph for Energy vs. Time. It's obvious that energy vs. theta will be sinusoidal, however if theta is itself sinusoidal as a function of time (SHM), what would the graph of energy vs time look like? I'm struggling to convince myself it will also be sinusoidal.

I'd also like to consider how the graph would be different for small angles (sinθ~θ) and for θ~90° (unless it involves analysing elliptic integrals)

Anyone can point me in a direction to start?
 

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