Potential of spherical and non-spherical mass distributions?

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The discussion revolves around the gravitational potential of a planet with a spherical surface and whether a non-spherical mass distribution can produce the same external potential as a point mass. Participants explore the implications of mass distribution on gravitational effects and the nature of gravitational forces experienced by particles within and outside such distributions.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the implications of Newton's shell theorem and Gauss' law on mass distributions. Questions arise about the effects of non-spherical distributions on gravitational potential and the behavior of the center of mass. There is also confusion regarding the relationship between spherical symmetry and uniform density.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active with participants questioning assumptions about mass distribution and gravitational effects. Some have offered insights into how non-uniform distributions can be inferred from external observations, while others are exploring the characteristics of gravitational equipotential surfaces.

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Participants note the importance of distinguishing between geometric and gravitational centers, as well as the effects of inhomogeneities in mass distribution on gravitational interactions. There is an acknowledgment of the complexity introduced by non-spherical distributions.

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Homework Statement



Suppose a planet whose surface is spherical and the gravitational potential exterior to it is exactly -GM/r, like that of a point mass. Is it possible to know if the inner mass distribution is actually shperically symmetric? Can a non-spherical mass distribution produce such an external potential? If yes, give an example.

Homework Equations



Newton's shell theorems, Gauss' law

The Attempt at a Solution



"The potential out of any spherical distribution of mass is like if all the mass was in a point", but this is true for shells of uniform density. I remember that a particle inside of the sphere doesn't feel any forces regardless the mass distribution, but outside?
If we use a "gaussian surface" to enclose such a non-spherical mass distribution, Gauss' law gives the total mass, so internal distribution wouldn't be important, but, for example, inhomogeneities in Earth's density can affect nearby planetary bodies. Then? I'm confused.
 
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The potential out of any distribution of mass is like if all the mass was in a point... at the center of mass of the distribution.

What happens to the center of mass if the distribution is not spherical?
Is the mass of spherical shells not spherically distributed?
Will a particle inside a spherical distribution of mass experience forces from non-spherical distortions?
 
Simon Bridge said:
The potential out of any distribution of mass is like if all the mass was in a point... at the center of mass of the distribution.

What happens to the center of mass if the distribution is not spherical?
Its location will be displaced fron the geometric center towards where the density is greater... Oh, wait, I am confusing a spherical distribution with a homogeneous one!
If the distribution is uniform, either spherical or not, the center of mass will coincide with the geometric center, right?

Simon Bridge said:
Is the mass of spherical shells not spherically distributed?
It is spherically distributed, it can vary whit radius, but shells have spherical symmetry.

Simon Bridge said:
Will a particle inside a spherical distribution of mass experience forces from non-spherical distortions?
Inside? Uhmmm... No... :rolleyes:
 
The bits you had trouble with are key to your problem.

You've figured that non-uniform distributions can be determined from outside by comparing the geometric center with the gravitational center. This raised the possibility that a uniform distribution will fit the criteria ... another characteristic of a spherical distribution of mass is that the gravitational equipotential surfaces are spheres (i.e. the grav field radiates equally in all directions). If you walk around the surface, gravity will have the same force everywhere you go. Is this true for non-spherical distributions?

Of course - if you are outside the object and you cannot tell by looking at it that it is non-spherical then it must be outwardly spherical (or blocked from view).For the particle inside a sphere of mass - see if you can work out if it feels a gravitational pull from, say, another sphere right next to it.
 

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