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[NTL2009]

Huma said that she forwarded the e-mails to that computer to work on them, something about the computer at work not working right and Clinton was not aware. That's what I read. I don't know what news you read.

Yes, but government emails should be on a secure system, not on her estranged husband's computer. Especially that estranged husband.

Nice, after all of the damage he's done. ...

The damage was done by Hillary - if she hadn't been "extremely careless" with sensitive government information, and if she hadn't made multiple bald-faced lies to the public about it (see the Comey/Gowdy testimony in July), there wouldn't be any 'damage'. That's like blaming the cop for your speeding.

 

[Evo]

Yes, but government emails should be on a secure system, not on her estranged husband's computer. Especially that estranged husband.

So, you want the FBI to go after Huma now? And that was before she knew about her husband, and they weren't estranged at the time.

 

[NTL2009]

So, you want the FBI to go after Huma now? And that was before she knew about her husband, and they weren't estranged at the time.

It might be the appropriate thing to do. People at every level should take these issues very seriously. As Comey said in his July statement:

For example, seven e-mail chains concern matters that were classified at the Top Secret/Special Access Program level when they were sent and received. These chains involved Secretary Clinton both sending e-mails about those matters and receiving e-mails from others about the same matters. There is evidence to support a conclusion that any reasonable person in Secretary Clinton’s position, or in the position of those government employees with whom she was corresponding about these matters, should have known that an unclassified system was no place for that conversation.

I don't understand why some people want to make excuses for this behavior. It's serious.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...bi-investigation-security-clearance/86709410/

FBI Director James Comey said Tuesday he would not recommend criminal prosecution of former secretary of State Hillary Clinton for mishandling classified information. But he did suggest another remedy: the loss of her security clearance.

If she were anyone else, Comey said in a televised press statement, the facts uncovered in the FBI's investigation might cost Clinton her security clearance — if not her job.

'If she were anyone else'? It would seem to me that Hillary, as head of the Sate Dept, should have been held to a higher standard, not a lower one. I don't get it.

If someone doesn't like Trump, that's their right. But how can anyone write off these actions by HRC? For me, this plainly makes her unfit for the office.

 

[NTL2009]

It's because you do not realize how common it is. ...

Well, that's comforting! :(

You are correct, I've never been a gov't employee. Though I did spend my career at a large corp that also did a lot of gov't technical communications work. I knew people who worked in the 'secrets room', and they never talked about their work.

But, if it's so common, why isn't Comey going after all these people? Why haven't we heard of an avalanche of investigations? Why did he describe it as he did in my posts above ('any reasonable person', and 'if she were anyone else'...)?

You better BleachBit your computer, and hide behind a VPN. :) Maybe you need to buy one of these, a 'cloth or something':

http://www.bleachbit.org/cloth-or-something

Maybe these tales of these activities being common are exactly why so many are looking to replace the status quo (even if the alternative ain't so great). Let's face it, this election cycle was largely about frustration with the status quo. On the Democrat side, how in the heck could Bernie Sanders, a Senator from Vermont, who wasn't even a Democrat until just before he entered the primary race, that few nation-wide had heard of, become a threat to HRC? Such a threat that the HRC campaign had to rig the primary against Sanders (and Debbie Wasserman Schultz had to step down). And Donna Brazille felt she needed to 'help' HRC by providing some of the debate questions (the wiki-leaks emails have been verified by the encryption key).

And on the Republican side, weren't the top three all the least status-quo among them (except for maybe Carly Fiorina, my top choice)?

As distasteful as we may find DJT, I think that many of us find the status quo even more distasteful, and more dangerous (I'm especially concerned about the NYT allowing the HRC campaign to approve/edit their stories). As I said earlier, that reeks of a dictator/Pravda relationship.

Which ever way this election goes, I feel like maybe a sleeping giant has been awoken (awaken?). I think some people are upset and ready to do something about it. Look at these polls from Rasmussen:

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/pub...ion_2016/most_still_say_clinton_broke_the_law

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/pub...ree_with_timing_of_fbi_s_clinton_announcement

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/healthcare/health_care_law
Voters overwhelmingly favor changes in Obamacare, with more voters than ever calling for its outright repeal.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/pub...r_2016/voters_don_t_trust_media_fact_checking

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/pub...t_candidates_setting_agenda_for_2016_election

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/pub...say_media_obsessed_with_political_controversy

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/pub...s_expect_reporters_to_help_clinton_over_trump
Very little of that is covered in the media. Seems like the media has largely ignored two important pollsters, Rasmussen and Investor's Business Daily, who each have the election at a tie, or DJT a point ahead. But my Google News feed is full of reports of HRC being 3-12 points ahead.

http://www.investors.com/politics/ibd-tipp-presidential-election-poll/
http://www.investors.com/politics/ibd-tipp-tracking-poll-most-accurate-presidential-poll/

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/pub...lections/election_2016/white_house_watch_nov4
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/pub...ion_2016/most_still_say_clinton_broke_the_law

 

[Evo]

You better BleachBit your computer, and hide behind a VPN. :) Maybe you need to buy one of these, a 'cloth or something':

This was years ago and the computers no longer exist, but thanks for being concerned. The people involved weren't important and I didn't want to know even a scrubbed version of what was happening. But it's why I'm not surprised that people can be so lax. I think a lot of good will come from this though.

 

[Evo]

Gosh, I like Bill Weld.

http://www.msnbc.com/the-last-word/watch/bill-weld-clinton-received-raw-deal-802480707510

I don't suppose I can just vote for a VP? Because I don't like Johnson.

 

[Borg]

This was years ago and the computers no longer exist, but thanks for being concerned. The people involved weren't important and I didn't want to know even a scrubbed version of what was happening. But it's why I'm not surprised that people can be so lax. I think a lot of good will come from this though.

I doubt that much will change w.r.t. computer security because there are too many people who are completely clueless. I worked at a government agency in the 90's and we were constantly reminded that our computer usage was being tracked. And yet there were still plenty of people who just wouldn't get it. One month we were sent an email listing the top 100 sites that people were visiting. #100 on the list was categorized as porn even though visiting sites like that was an instant ticket out the door. Every single month, one or two people were shown the door because of that.

My current company regularly tests us by sending suspicious-looking emails to see if we'll click on the links. Do that and you're assigned extra security training. The stats on the number of people that click on the links is mind-numbing.

 

[cristo]

This was a year ago. Can't believe we're still talking about it!

 

[cristo]

Very little of that is covered in the media. Seems like the media has largely ignored two important pollsters, Rasmussen and Investor's Business Daily, who each have the election at a tie, or DJT a point ahead. But my Google News feed is full of reports of HRC being 3-12 points ahead.

FiveThirtyEight includes these polls.

 

[jtbell]

The first votes are in, from Dixville Notch, New Hampshire:

Clinton 4
Trump 2
Johnson 1
Mitt Romney 1 (write-in)

http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/08/politics/dixville-notch-results-2016/

 

[jtbell]

it has been decided that this thread and any other thread related to the election old or new will be closed immediately after the winner is announced on election day.

What if we have 2000 all over again?

 

[Evo]

What if we have 2000 all over again?

No, no, no, no, no.

 

[Borg]

Final day of endless political TV ads and the nightmare is almost over. It's very fitting that today is garbage pickup day on my street.

 

[Bystander]

It's very fitting that today is garbage pickup day on my street.

Mine also.

 

[fresh_42]

Just found on FB/CNN - Is this a rebus?

https://scontent-amt2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/s480x480/14925815_1157401724349264_7595349455864052631_n.jpg?oh=4435b733026d45ca80970dd0100eb264&oe=58923467

 

[Borg]

After I vote, I'll need a drink.

 

[NTL2009]

Putting the two 'personalities' aside for a moment, I am so concerned for this country.

The Democratic campaign has been shown to be so dangerously crooked, I fear that if the gain the Whit House it threatens democracy in the US.

We know they have rigged elections (the Dem primary). The DNC chair (Debbie Wasserman Schulz) was fired for it (helping HRC campaign over Sanders), no denials there.

Wikileaks showed (in a verified email), that Donna Brazille (DWS replacement at the DNC) got some questions for the debates, and forwarded them to the HRC campaign. Brazille didn't actually deny it, she talked about knowing what it's like to be persecuted (not an answer), and that the emails 'could be fake'. Well, they could be, but they were verified by the digital key, and certainly Brazille knows if she wrote them or not. So if they were fake, why didn't she just say so, rather than 'they could be doctored'?

And we found that The New York Times (the 'paper of record') sent articles to the HRC campaign for prior approval and editing. So now we have a party 'in bed' with the press. That scares me. It scares me a LOT.

And a high level Dem operative (Robert Creamer - husband of a congresswoman) who has visited the White House and Obama many times, was found to have been paying people to create violence at Trump rallies. That could have been the cause for shutting gown Trumps rally in Chicago. That got him fired, so again, no real denial.

I just want democracy restored, and I fear it is slipping away, quickly. It's depressing.

 

[Greg Bernhardt]

Reminder that after the winner is officially announced this thread will be closed.

 

[ZapperZ]

Reminder that after the winner is officially announced this thread will be closed.

Thank god!

I voted almost 2 weeks ago already, and I can't wait for this thing to be over!

Zz.

 

[jim hardy]

I just want democracy restored, and I fear it is slipping away, quickly. It's depressing.

It's the "Anything goes" mindset. Honesty and humility used to be virtues.

 

[Borg]

The first results are out.
New Hampshire midnight results

In Dixville Notch, Hillary Clinton beat Donald Trump 4-2. Libertarian Gary Johnson received one vote, and the 2012 Republican candidate, Mitt Romney received a surprise write-in ballot. In the slightly larger burg of Hart's Location, Clinton won with 17 votes to Trump's 14. Johnson got three votes, while write-ins Bernie Sanders and John Kasich each got one. And in Millsfield, Trump won decisively, 16-4, with one write-in for Bernie Sanders.

So, in the three New Hampshire towns with midnight voting, Trump came out ahead 32-25.

 

[russ_watters]

The first results are out.
New Hampshire midnight results

One clear limitation in the pre-election polling is that they don't include write-ins, and in this election, that could account for a significant number of votes.

 

[Borg]

One clear limitation in the pre-election polling is that they don't include write-ins, and in this election, that could account for a significant number of votes.

I wouldn't be too surprised if Bernie Sanders get more votes than some of the other parties candidates. I had to laugh at the Mitt Romney write-in though.

 

[russ_watters]

I wouldn't be too surprised if Bernie Sanders get more votes than some of the other parties candidates. I had to laugh at the Mitt Romney write-in though.

John Kasich wrote in John McCain, which I thought was really clever.

 

[StatGuy2000]

John Kasich wrote in John McCain, which I thought was really clever.

I actually thought that John Kasich might have written in his own name (given that he ran for the Republican presidential nomination).

Which leaves me to the question -- can a voter write in his/her own name on the ballot?

 

[russ_watters]

I actually thought that John Kasich might have written in his own name (given that he ran for the Republican presidential nomination).

Which leaves me to the question -- can a voter write in his/her own name on the ballot?

You can write in anyone including yourself. I liked John Kasich's move because it was equivalent to voting for himself, but without the ego/sore loser implications.

 

[OmCheeto]

After I vote, I'll need a drink.
...

Not sure why, but county officials have placed my nearest ballot drop box only 400 feet away from my nearest liquor store.
Coincidence?

 

[Borg]

Not sure why, but county officials have placed my nearest ballot drop box only 400 feet away from my nearest liquor store.
Coincidence?

Conspiracy.

 

[Kevin McHugh]

Final day of endless political TV ads and the nightmare is almost over. It's very fitting that today is garbage pickup day on my street.

Mine too, what is the pattern? I don't believe in coincidence.

 

[Kevin McHugh]

Conspiracy.

I think it was Roosevelt who said "There are no coincidences in politics. If it happened, it was planned that way." I may have paraphrased it slightly, but the intent is unchanged.

 

[Kevin McHugh]

After I vote, I'll need a drink.

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For some weird reason, I decided to go on the wagon for a week. This will be my first sober election returns since I can remember.

 

[OmCheeto]

Thank god!

I voted almost 2 weeks ago already, and I can't wait for this thing to be over!

Zz.

I haven't even opened my mail-in ballot yet, and the liquor store doesn't open for another hour...

I've been waiting to vote, as there's a measure on our ballot that is quite divisive, much like the this presidential thing, and I've been soliciting comments on Facebook, as to why I should change my vote. I've actually been researching the measure since March. ("Hey peeps! What am I missing here?)

So far, no one has changed my mind.
Lots of nasty, and obviously drunken comments though. I received the following yesterday:

Ompposition; "Your posting yes says you are conflicted. ..."
Om; "Ummm... As I've stated previously, I'm voting no. Please pay attention."

Scary part is, is that he's a successful practicing lawyer.
On the other hand, if the lawyers are getting drunk, worrying about this election, maybe it's a good thing.

 

[Borg]

For some weird reason, I decided to go on the wagon for a week. This will be my first sober election returns since I can remember.

Sorry to hear that. I would think that this election is driving people to drink for the first time.

 

[OmCheeto]

Sorry to hear that. I would think that this election is driving people to drink for the first time.

Don't even get me started, on the "Carter vs Reagan" thing. The first time I was eligible to vote...

Ok, you did.

Carter: Nuclear Engineer [Cool! I'm a nuclear technician, and Rickover is my hero! That freak was calling it 60 years in advance!]
Reagan: Hollywood actor [really?]

Carter: Put solar panels on the White House
Reagan: Took them down

Carter: Left his career to take care of his family.
Reagan:

And that's, when I started drinking... (hic!)

 

[jim hardy]

Well I've voted and am accepting it's almost done. Market is going up smartly so Hillary will probably win.

I'm trying to be reflective and stay out of the hysteria.

“O, wad some Power the giftie gie us
To see oursels as others see us!
It wad frae monie a blunder free us,
An' foolish notion.” Robert Burns

Been chatting with a friend from Europe who observes

The general opinion about the USA is that they are too aggressive and want to command everyone. ... It's usually negative. Like "the US think they are the best in the world but they are terrorists, they should care about themselves and let others be etc" .

My generation (early Boomers , I'm same age as Trump and a year older than Hillary) was raised on teachings that US is morally superior and can do no wrong. I think that has led to narcissism in our foreign dealings . We've had our comeuppances , Vietnam being the first one I'm old enough to remember and halfway understand what happened.
I'm not sure we were the good guys there or in Serbia and Kosovo,
or the mideast in recent years. Despite the mantra of "American Exceptionalism" in speeches and CFR papers.

As i said to another friend here on PF:

"I'm still rooting for originalists to Supreme Court and cooperation with Putin.
However, I welcome tomorrow either way
so i can either just accept it didn't go my way,
or sigh with relief we won't put our warplanes over Syria to test that fancy new Russian missile system .

I only hope the vote is decisive enough to rule out shenanigans with Electoral College . Its stated purpose is to prevent 'mischief'. "

So i await the morning, with a feeling of calm that's the first one in weeks.
It's time to heal.

old jim

 

[StevieTNZ]

http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americ...-after-competing-claims-of-fraud-intimidation

A voter protection hotline says it's received thousands of calls from people having difficulty casting their votes, due to intimidation, polling booths late to open, and malfunctioning equipment.

Absolutely disgraceful behaviour.

 

[russ_watters]

http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americ...-after-competing-claims-of-fraud-intimidation
Absolutely disgraceful behaviour.

All but one a are normal human failings. we'll see how many cases of intimidation there will be.

 

[Evo]

Since Russ has started a new thread to keep track of the election, I have closed this thread and posts having to do with the Presidency can go there, to be closed when the winner is announced.

https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/election-day.892638/