Power equations, which equation to use and why?

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The discussion revolves around power equations in electrical circuits, specifically the use of P = V^2/R and its relation to current and resistance, particularly in the context of a Light Dependent Resistor (LDR) and its behavior under varying illumination.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants explore the appropriateness of using P = V^2/R versus P = I^2R, questioning the implications of constant voltage and varying resistance on power calculations. There is also discussion about the relationship between LDR resistance and illumination, and how this affects power output.

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The discussion is active, with participants offering insights into the derivation of power equations and questioning the assumptions behind their use. Some participants suggest exploring the original question further, while others provide mathematical reasoning to support their points.

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Participants are considering the implications of using different power equations under the constraints of a constant voltage source and the variable nature of resistance in LDRs. There is an ongoing examination of how these factors influence power calculations.

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Homework Statement
A light dependent resistor is connected across an ideal 12 V source
and placed in the open in the middle of a desert. When is the power
dissipated in the resistor highest?
A )dawn B) mid morning
C) noon D) midnight
Relevant Equations
P= IV --> P= I^2 R ---> P = V^2/R
Which equation do I use and why do I use it? I think it would be P = V^2/R, but why do we exclude current the from the equation?
 
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What is the resistance of an LDR versus illumination? Can you post a typical curve and say what you think that means about the answer to this question?
 
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berkeman said:
What is the resistance of an LDR versus illumination? Can you post a typical curve and say what you think that means about the answer to this question?

A typical graph of LDR resistance against illumination would have a negative correlation.
I understand resistance of the LDR goes down with increase in Lux, as from my understanding this frees more valence electrons onto the conduction band, and so power is max when R is min. This is at noon when the illumination is greatest, but my question is why do we use P=V^2/R as opposed to the other power equations?
 
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why do we use P=V^2/R as opposed to the other power equations?
Because you are given voltage as a constant.
P=I2R is still true, but when R changes so does I, so you cannot reason that increasing R increases P.
 
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surely if say R is minmum , I therefore is maxmium so we can reason using P=I^2R that when R is minmum i.e at noon then P is max, as there is a factor of squaring.
 
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surely if say R is minmum , I therefore is maxmium so we can reason using P=I^2R that when R is minmum i.e at noon then P is max, as there is a factor of squaring.
While that logic is correct, to be more clear you might want to go back and explore your original question about the P = \frac{V^2}{R} expression. Perhaps if you derive it for yourself it might make it more clear.

Using the equations
P = IV
and
V = IR,
and a bit of substitution, you should be able to come up with that expression that eliminates I. This is useful for this problem since V is a constant (due to ideal voltage source), allowing you to compare P directly with the variable R.
 
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surely if say R is minmum , I therefore is maxmium so we can reason using P=I^2R that when R is minmum i.e at noon then P is max, as there is a factor of squaring.
No, that does not follow. It depends how swiftly I changes as R changes.
Suppose the relationship is ##I=\alpha R^\beta##. Then##P=\alpha^2R^{2\beta+1}##.
##\frac{dP}{dR}=\alpha^2(2\beta+1) R^{2\beta}##.
Whether this is positive or negative depends on the sign of ##2\beta+1##.
With V constant, ##\beta=-1##, so ##2\beta+1<0##.
 

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