Power in the components of an RC circuit as a Function of time

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The discussion revolves around an RC circuit consisting of a resistor, capacitor, and an EMF source. Participants are tasked with determining the rate of energy stored in the capacitor, the power dissipated in the resistor, and the power supplied by the EMF as functions of time.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss various methods to find the rate of energy stored in the capacitor, including using conservation of energy and analyzing voltage drops across circuit components. Questions arise regarding the undefined nature of certain expressions at t=0 and the appropriateness of different approaches.

Discussion Status

Some participants express confidence in their expressions for the resistor and battery, while others seek clarification on the capacitor's energy rate. Guidance is offered regarding multiple methods to approach the problem, and there is an acknowledgment of the relationship between power supplied, dissipated, and stored in the circuit.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the challenge of evaluating equations at t=0 and the complexity involved in deriving the energy rate for the capacitor.

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Homework Statement



A simple RC circuit with an EMF source ε, Resistor R and capacitor C are in series. When the switch is closed find the rate of energy stored in the capacitor, the power dissipated in the resistor, and the power supplied by the emf as functions of time.

Homework Equations


For the resistor

P=i2R

i=(ε/R)e-t/RCFor the battery

P=iε

i=(ε/R)e-t/RC

For the capacitor

q=CE(1-e-t/RC)

U=q2/(2C)

The Attempt at a Solution



I feel decent about the expressions I got for the resistor and the battery.

Pres=[(ε/R)e-t/RC]2R

Pbat=[(ε/R)e-t/RC]εThe problem I'm having is getting the energy rate in the capacitor. I tried to just use the energy equation from above and divide by time but I don't think it's right, It's undefined at t=0, and I need to evaluate these equations at that point in later steps.

I think I may need to plug it into the energy and then take the time derivative. Its pretty messy though, is there a better way?

[CE(1-e-t/RC)]2/(2Ct)

Thanks for any input
 

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physninj said:

Homework Statement



A simple RC circuit with an EMF source ε, Resistor R and capacitor C are in series. When the switch is closed find the rate of energy stored in the capacitor, the power dissipated in the resistor, and the power supplied by the emf as functions of time.

Homework Equations


For the resistor

P=i2R

i=(ε/R)e-t/RC


For the battery

P=iε

i=(ε/R)e-t/RC

For the capacitor

q=CE(1-e-t/RC)

U=q2/(2C)




The Attempt at a Solution



I feel decent about the expressions I got for the resistor and the battery.

Pres=[(ε/R)e-t/RC]2R

Pbat=[(ε/R)e-t/RC


The problem I'm having is getting the energy rate in the capacitor. I tried to just use the energy equation from above and divide by time but I don't think it's right, It's undefined at t=0, and I need to evaluate these equations at that point in later steps.

I think I may need to plug it into the energy and then take the time derivative. Its pretty messy though, is there a better way?

[CE(1-e-t/RC)]2/(2Ct)

Thanks for any input
There are several ways to find the rate of energy stored in the capacitor.

You can use conservation of energy. You know the power supplied by the battery (rate of work done by the battery). You know the power dissipated in the resistor. From those it's fairly direct to account for the rest of the energy.

Alternatively, you can find the voltage drop across the resistor as a function of time. From that you can find the voltage drop across the capacitor as a function of time. Use that with U = (1/2)V2C.

You can integrate the current to find the charge on the capacitor.

...
 
SammyS said:
There are several ways to find the rate of energy stored in the capacitor.

You can use conservation of energy. You know the power supplied by the battery (rate of work done by the battery). You know the power dissipated in the resistor. From those it's fairly direct to account for the rest of the energy.

Alternatively, you can find the voltage drop across the resistor as a function of time. From that you can find the voltage drop across the capacitor as a function of time. Use that with U = (1/2)V2C.

You can integrate the current to find the charge on the capacitor.

...

I see, because what's not dissipated by the resistor is stored in the capacitor. I think I will take that route.

So its just

Pemf-Presistor=Pcapacitor

My other equations look alright I'm assuming?Thanks a bunch.
 
physninj said:
I see, because what's not dissipated by the resistor is stored in the capacitor. I think I will take that route.

So its just

Pemf-Presistor=Pcapacitor

My other equations look alright I'm assuming?


Thanks a bunch.
Yes.

They look right.
 

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