Power series solution for Log(1+x)

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The discussion centers on the power series representation of the logarithmic function, specifically \(\log(1+x)\). Participants explore various methods to derive this series, including Taylor series and Maclaurin series, and examine the convergence and validity of these representations within specific intervals.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that \(\log(1+x)\) can be expressed as a power series: \(\log(1+x) = x - \frac{x^2}{2} + \frac{x^3}{3} + \cdots\).
  • Others argue that this can be derived from the series expansion of \(\frac{1}{1+x}\) and that power series can be integrated term by term within their interval of convergence.
  • A participant suggests writing \(\log(1+x)\) as a Taylor series and notes that the derivatives lead to a series that matches the proposed power series.
  • Another participant emphasizes that using the Taylor series method requires verifying that the remainder converges to zero for the series to be valid.
  • Some participants discuss the equivalence of the derivatives of the Maclaurin series and \(\log(1+x)\), suggesting that they are equal up to a constant, which they argue is zero at \(x=0\).
  • There is a mention of a simpler alternative approach using the geometric series, which some participants find more straightforward than proving the limit of the Taylor remainder.
  • One participant highlights that the reasoning presented is similar to an earlier suggestion but notes differences in context regarding the validity of the Taylor expansion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express multiple competing views on the best method to derive the power series for \(\log(1+x)\) and whether the Taylor series approach is necessary. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the preferred method and the implications of the Taylor remainder.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the convergence of the series and the behavior of the Taylor remainder are critical to establishing the validity of the power series representation, but these aspects remain under discussion.

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Show that,

\[\log(1+x)=x-\frac{x^2}{2}+\frac{x^3}{3}+\cdots\]
 
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ssh said:
Show that log(1+x) = x - x2\2 + x3​\3...

Use that $\dfrac{1}{1+x}=1-x+x^2-x^3+\ldots\quad (|x|<1)$ and take into account that all power series can be integrated term by term on an interval lying inside the interval of convergence.
 
Can we write this as a Taylor's series as f(x) = Log(1+x), then f'(x)=1\1+x so on.
 
ssh said:
Can we write this as a Taylor's series as f(x) = Log(1+x), then f'(x)=1\1+x so on.

Of course you can. But using that method you only obtain the Taylor series of $f(x)=\log (1+x)$, that is $\displaystyle\sum_{n=1}^{\infty}(-1)^{n-1}\dfrac{x^n}{n}$. To prove that $\log (1+x)=\displaystyle\sum_{n=1}^{\infty}(-1)^{n-1}\dfrac{x^n}{n}$ in $(-1,1)$ (also in $x=1$) you need to verify that the remainder of the Taylor series converges to $0$.
 
ssh said:
Show that,

\[\log(1+x)=x-\frac{x^2}{2}+\frac{x^3}{3}+\cdots\]

If you want to use the long method, remember that a Maclaurin series for a function is given by $\displaystyle \begin{align*} f(x) = \sum_{n = 0}^{\infty} \frac{f^{(n)}(0)}{n!}x^n \end{align*}$

So evaluating the derivatives gives

$\displaystyle \begin{align*} f(x) &= \ln{(1 + x)} \\ f(0) &= 0 \\ f'(x) &= \frac{1}{1 + x} \\ f'(0) &= 1 \\ f''(x) &= -\frac{1}{(1 + x)^2} \\ f''(0) &= -1 \\ f'''(x) &= \frac{2}{(1 +x)^3} \\ f'''(0) &= 2 \\ f^{(4)}(x) &= -\frac{3!}{(1 + x)^4} \\ f^{(4)}(0) &= -3! \\ f^{(5)}(x) &= \frac{4!}{(1 + x)^5} \\ f^{(5)}(0) &= 4! \\ \vdots \end{align*}$

So substituting these in gives

$\displaystyle \begin{align*} \ln{(1 + x)} &= \frac{0}{0!}x^0 + \frac{1}{1!}x^1 + \frac{(-1)}{2!}x^2 + \frac{2}{3!}x^3 - \frac{3!}{4!}x^4 + \frac{4!}{5!}x^5 - \dots + \dots \\ &= x - \frac{x^2}{2} + \frac{x^3}{3} - \frac{x^4}{4} + \frac{x^5}{5} - \dots + \dots \end{align*}$
 
Now, we have to prove the Taylor's remainder R_n(x):

$$R_n(x)=\dfrac{f^{(n+1)}(\xi)}{(n+1)!}x^n=\dfrac{(-1)^n}{(1+\xi)^{n+1}}\dfrac{x^{n+1}}{(n+1)!}\quad (\xi \mbox{ between }0\mbox{ and }x)$$

has limit 0 for x\in (-1,1) as n\to \infty. For that reason is better to use the series expansion of 1/(1+x).
 
Taking the derivative of the MacLaurin series gives you
$1 -x +x^2 - x^3 + x^4 + \ldots$
Since this is a geometric series with ratio $-x$, it equals $\frac{1}{1 + x}$ when x is in $(-1, 1)$.
This shows the expression $\ln(1+x)$ and its MacLaurin expansion to have the same derivative over $(-1, 1)$, which means they are equal within a constant. And, since they are equal at $x=0$, this constant is zero.

If my reasoning is correct, this is simpler than proving the limit of the Taylor remainder.
 
Saknussemm said:
Taking the derivative of the MacLaurin series gives you
$1 -x +x^2 - x^3 + x^4 + \ldots$
Since this is a geometric series with ratio $-x$, it equals $\frac{1}{1 + x}$ when x is in $(-1, 1)$.
This shows the expression $\ln(1+x)$ and its MacLaurin expansion to have the same derivative over $(-1, 1)$, which means they are equal within a constant. And, since they are equal at $x=0$, this constant is zero.

If my reasoning is correct, this is simpler than proving the limit of the Taylor remainder.

It is, however, the essentially the same as Fernando Revilla's suggestion in the first response to this thread.
 
HallsofIvy said:
It is, however, the essentially the same as Fernando Revilla's suggestion in the first response to this thread.

The logic and context are not the same, as I was answering the question whether you can use the Taylor series. In general, you prove the validity of the Taylor expansion over a given interval by proving the Taylor reminder tends to zero as n goes to infinity. But here, because we can bring out a geometric series, as Fernando Revilla does in the initial answer, we have a simpler alternative. It is actually an exceptional case that is worth noting.
 

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