Power Triangle and Power factor

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the power triangle and power factor in relation to induction and synchronous motors. Participants explore calculations involving active, reactive, and apparent power, as well as the implications of these calculations for load percentages.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents calculations for induction motors with a power factor of 0.8 and synchronous motors with a power factor of 0.707, including the computation of active and reactive power.
  • Another participant introduces variables x and y to represent the kW of remaining induction motors and new synchronous motors, respectively, and establishes a relationship between them.
  • A participant discusses the sign convention for reactive power, indicating that inductive power should be positive and capacitive negative, and suggests changing the sign of the final reactive power accordingly.
  • Some participants express uncertainty about how to use the presented information to answer specific questions related to the load percentage.
  • Repeatedly, participants suggest solving a system of equations to find the relationship between x and y, leading to a percentage calculation for y.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the mathematical relationships and calculations involved but express uncertainty about how to apply these to the specific problem at hand. No consensus is reached on the final application of the information presented.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions regarding the definitions of power factors and the sign conventions for reactive power are not explicitly stated, which may affect the clarity of the discussion. The mathematical steps involved in solving the equations are also not fully resolved.

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Homework Statement
A group of induction motors with a total power of 500kW and power factor 0.8 lagging are to be partially replaced with a synchronous motors of the same efficiency but leading power factor of 0.707. As the replacement proceeds the overall power factor improves. What percentage of the load will have been replaced when the overall power reaches 0.9 lagging?(Answer is 15.2%)
Relevant Equations
Power factor(pf) = cosθ
Average power(Pave) = VIcosθ
Apparent power(Pa) = VI
Reactive power(Pr) = VIsinθ
Induction motors:

pf = 0.8
triangle:
θ = arccos(0.8) = 36.86 degrees
Pa = 500/0.8 = 625 VA
Pr = sqrt(625^2-500^2) = 375 VAR

Synchronous motors:

pf = 0.707
triangle:
θ = arccos(0.707) = 45 degrees
Pa = 500/0.707 = 707 VA
Pr = sqrt(707^2-500^2) = 499.85 VAR

I am uncertain of how I can relate this information with the load percentage, any hints/tips will be much appreciated.
 
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x is the kW of remaining induction motors
y is the kW of new synchronous motor
x+y=500 kW
the final reactive power will be 500*[-tan(acos(0.9))]
the x part kVAr=-x*tan(acos(0.8))
the y part kVAr=+y*tan(acos(0.707))
 
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According to reactive power sign convention, the inductive power has to be positive and capacitive negative and then the apparent power [sum of active and reactive power] it is the product of supply voltage with the conjugate of the current. So, I have to change the sign of the final reactive power [to be positive as inductive] and x part kVAr it is also positive but y part will be negative. The absolute values will the same as above.
 
But how do I use that information to obtain what they are asking for?
 
You need to solve the [equation] system:
x+y=500 [kW]
x*tan(acos(0.8))-y*tan(acos(0.707))= 500*[tan(acos(0.9))]
The answer will be y/500[%]
 
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Babadag said:
You need to solve the [equation] system:
x+y=500 [kW]
x*tan(acos(0.8))-y*tan(acos(0.707))= 500*[tan(acos(0.9))]
The answer will be y/500[%]
Thank you, that helped!
 

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