Factory Power Demand Costs Analysis

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The discussion revolves around the analysis of power demand costs for a factory, focusing on calculations related to maximum demand, surcharges, and power factor adjustments. Participants are working through a homework problem that involves theoretical and practical aspects of electrical demand and cost calculations.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant calculates the maximum demand power as 20 MW using the formula VAcosø.
  • Another participant outlines the need to calculate three costs: the base unit charge, the maximum demand surcharge, and the reactive penalty charge, providing specific calculations for each.
  • There is a discussion about the correct interpretation of the surcharge based on maximum demand exceeding 18 MW, with differing methods proposed for calculating this surcharge.
  • Some participants express confusion regarding the definition of units and the relationship between kW and units of demand power.
  • One participant attempts to calculate the new power factor after replacing an induction motor with a synchronous motor, but struggles with the accuracy of their results.
  • Another participant suggests working backwards from the new costing to determine the expected power factor.
  • There is a mention of a discrepancy between calculated costs and those provided in the homework question, indicating potential misunderstandings or errors in calculations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the correct methods for calculating surcharges and penalties, with multiple competing views on how to interpret the problem and perform the calculations. Uncertainty remains regarding the correct power factor and total costs.

Contextual Notes

Participants express varying assumptions about unit definitions and calculations, leading to different interpretations of the problem. Some calculations are based on assumptions that may not align with the problem statement, and there are unresolved steps in the mathematical reasoning.

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Homework Statement


A factory has an average demand of 520 000 units per week. The
maximum demand is 25 MVA at 0.8 power factor and the minimum
power factor of 0.6 occurs when the demand is 11 MVA.
The factory is charged at 2.5 pence per unit with a surcharge of 0.2 pence
per unit for each 500 kW by which the maximum demand exceeds
18 MW and a further surcharge of 3% (of charge, plus surcharge) for
every increment of 0.05 by which the minimum power factor falls
below 0.8.
There is a large drive which operates continuously and is powered by an
induction motor with draws 2 MW at a power factor of 0.8 lagging.
This motor is replaced by a synchronous motor which draws the same
power but runs at a power factor of 0.8 leading.
Assuming the maximum demand penalty does not change

Homework Equations


(i) Show that the maximum demand power is 20 MW.
(ii) Show that the total weekly charge for the factory is £19 219.20.
(iii) Calculate the new power factor and reactive penalty charge when
demand is 11 MVA.
(iv) Show that the new total weekly cost is £17 644.50.
(v) If the synchronous motor costs £250 000, calculate the time required
to recover the cost of the motor.

The Attempt at a Solution


(i) So this one seems obvious,
VAcosø = 25*10^10 * 0.8 = 20 MW

(ii)
Unit cost, (520000 * 2.5)/100 = £13,000

I’m at a loss at to what to do next, any advice on next steps would be very welcome.
 
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So finally getting some time to come back to this, for (ii) think there are essentially 3 costs to calculate,

Pence per unit charge:

Unit cost, (520000 * 2.5)/100 = £13,000

Max demand surcharge:

(18*10^6)/1000 = 18000 units

18000*2.5 = 45000/100 = £450.00

(2*10^6)/1000 = 2000 UNITS

2000*2.7 = 5400/100 = £54.00

So total charges so far are £13,504.00

Reactive penalty charge:

3% of £13,504.00 = £405.12

And this seems to be as far as I can get, am I on the correct lines so far?
 
Hi everybody, I don't seem to be receiving any responses to my post, could anybody advise as to what I might need to do to generate some help.

Thanks.
 
First, I think anyone whose native language is not English should forget this exercise---go and spend your time on some other problem.

I have arrived at the answer they want, so apparently that says I've managed to solve the riddle? :smile:
a surcharge of 0.2 pence per unit for each 500 kW by which the maximum demand exceeds
18 MW
Can you show how to calculate this surcharge.
 
Thanks for the response, so for the max demand surcharge I have taken this to be an additional two-part cost,

Part one, max demand of 18MW will be at standard charge of 2.5pence per unit, so to convert 18MW to units, (18*10^6)/1000 = 18000 units

18000 units at 2.5pence per unit then converted to pounds, 18000*2.5 = 45000/100 = £450.00

Part two, additional surcharge above 18MW. Max demand from part (i) is 20MW so 20MW-18MW leaves 2MW at surcharge cost.

2MW to units, (2*10^6)/1000 = 2000 UNITS

2000 units at surcharge cost of 2.7pence per unit(2.5 + 0.2) then converted to pounds gives me, 2000*2.7 = 5400/100 = £54.00

So my total max demand surcharge cost is £450.00+£54.00 = £504.00.
 
Interesting. Somehow you understand that 1kW equals 1 unit of demand power? Is this something I should know? In any case, it isn't necessary to know (or to assume) this, to do the calculations.

A surcharge is a charge on top of the base charge, so in calculating the surcharge, you'll use the 0.2p figure but not the 2.5p.

I said ##max\ demand\ surcharge = 520,000 \times \left(\dfrac{20\ MW - 18\ MW}{500kW}\right) \times 0.2p##

As stated in words here:
a surcharge of 0.2 pence per unit for each 500 kW by which the maximum demand exceeds 18 MW

I'm applying the surcharge to all units, not just those in excess of 18MW. The fact that this gives the textbook's answer seems to confirm it.

Do you follow this, so far?

So, adding the base charge on average demand together with this max demand surcharge you arrive at what combined cost?
 
Brainfrezze said:
A factory has an average demand of 520 000 units per week.
This would be energy, in kWhr, do you think? I can't see how it could be anything else.
 
So I understood 1 unit of billed electricity to = 1000W, so 1KW consumed in an hour would = 1KWhr

Your calculation makes obvious sense now, the surcharge costs calculates to £4160.00

3% of this cost combined with the unit charge gives me £514.80 * (0.8 - 0.6)/0.05 = £2059.20

All three costs combined gives me the target of £19,219.20.

Thanks for the help so far.

Now for part (iii)
 
What do you understand part(iii) to be about?
 
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So my first attempt is clearly well off, but I think I need to find the corrected reactive power in order to calculate the new P.F.

cosø = MW/MVA

Active power of load MVAcosø = 11*10^6 * 0.6 = 6.6MW

Reactive power of load MVAsinø = 11*10^6 * 0.8 = 8.8MVAr lagging

Active power of synchronous motor = 2MW

Reactive power of motor = 2/0.8 = 2.5MVA = MVAsinø = 2.5*10^6 * 0.6 = 1.5KVAr leading

Corrected reactive power = 8.8 – 1.5 = 7.3KVAr lagging

MVA = Root 6.6^2 + 7.3^2

=9.84 MVA

New calculated P.F is not correct with these new outputs.
 
  • #11
New calculated P.F is not correct with these new outputs.
Are you saying the textbook tells you what the pf should be, for this part?

My attempts seem to have reached an impasse...
 
  • #12
No apologies, I did not complete the equation based on my my findings,

cosø = MW/MVA

6.6/9.84 = 0.67
 
  • #13
I tried a couple of interpretations, but failed to divine their precise thinking.

What you could do is take their new costing and work backwards to determine the pf this would be based on. While the answer is rounded to the next 0.05, at least you'd be able to see roughly what you're aiming for.
 
  • #14
My final thoughts...

When using the induction motor, at 11MVA the pf was 0.6, so load is 6.6 - j8.8 MVA
replacing with the synchronous motor, at this same real power, the load becomes 6.6 - j6.4 MVA,
this is 9.19 MVA at pf of 0.718, and means the factory will now incur 2 units of power factor penalty.

520000p × 3.3 × (1 + 2 × 0.03) = £18,189.60
This is not in agreement with the cost figure provided in the question.
 

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