Practical Ways to Lose Weight: The Power of Metabolizing Fat and Exercise

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The discussion revolves around the practical methods for losing weight through exercise, specifically focusing on the energy expenditure involved in running up and down stairs. The original poster presents a scenario involving a student who aims to lose weight by climbing stairs, calculating the energy required to do so based on her mass and the height of the stairs.

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  • The original poster attempts to calculate the number of stair flights needed to lose 1 lb of fat, using energy conversion factors and efficiency rates. Some participants question the validity of the calculations, particularly the role of kinetic energy and efficiency in the work done to climb the stairs. Others suggest reconsidering the approach to calculating work done, focusing on gravitational potential energy instead.

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Participants are actively engaging with the calculations, with some providing corrections and alternative perspectives on the approach. There is a recognition of the need to clarify the assumptions made regarding energy expenditure and efficiency. The conversation reflects a mix of interpretations and attempts to refine the calculations without reaching a definitive conclusion.

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Participants note that the initial velocity of the student may not significantly impact the overall energy calculations, and there is an ongoing discussion about the implications of efficiency in the context of work done versus energy expended. The original poster expresses uncertainty about the realism of the calculated number of stair flights needed for weight loss.

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Energy is conventionally measured in Calories as well as in joules. One Calorie in nutrition is one kilocalorie, defined as 1 kcal = 4186 J. Metabolizing 1 g of fat can release 9.00 kcal. A student decides to try to lose weight by exercising. She plans to run up and down the stairs in a football stadium as fast as she can and as many times as necessary. Is this in itself a practical way to lose weight? To evaluate the program, suppose she runs up a flight of 80 steps, each 0.150 m high, in 65 s. For simplicity, ignore the energy she uses in coming down (which is small). Assume that a typical efficiency for human muscles is 20.0%. Therefore when your body converts 100 J from metabolizing fat, 20 J goes into doing mechanical work (here, climbing stairs). The remainder goes into extra internal energy. Assume that the student's mass is 50.0 kg. How many times must she run the flight of stairs to lose 1 lb of fat

I got an answer for this question, but the number is too large, so I thought I may have gotten something wrong in my calculation:

okie, so if 1 g of fat can release 9.00 kcal, then 1lb of fat can release 17124545 J.

0.5mv^2 + W = mgh

However, to get the initial velocity (v):
Vf^2 = Vi^2 + 2ax
0 = Vi^2 + 2 * -9.8 * (0.15 * 80)
Vi = 15.3m/s

Plug it back in:
0.5 * 50 * 15.3^2 + W = 50 * 9.8 * (0.15 * 80)
W = 27.8 J

However, since human is 20% efficiency...
27.8 J * .2 = 5.6J

So running 80 set of stairs will let you lose 5.6 J of fat. So to lose 1lb of fat:
17124545J/5.6J = 3057954

To lose 1 lb of fat, you need to run the 80 stairs 3057954 times! For some reason, I think this value is too large. Anyone caught a mistake on my calculation?
 
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Kinetic energy should not be a factor in this problem. The student has to do a certain amount of work to climb the fight of stairs, and when the 20% efficiency is included, the energy expended to do that work will be 5 times the work accomplished. Your calculation of the amount of work to climb one flight of stairs is far less than the work output needed to accomplish that task, and on top of that you have inverted the effect of efficiency in the calculation. It takes more energy than the work accomplished, not less.
 
OlderDan said:
Kinetic energy should not be a factor in this problem. The student has to do a certain amount of work to climb the fight of stairs, and when the 20% efficiency is included, the energy expended to do that work will be 5 times the work accomplished. Your calculation of the amount of work to climb one flight of stairs is far less than the work output needed to accomplish that task, and on top of that you have inverted the effect of efficiency in the calculation. It takes more energy than the work accomplished, not less.
So are you saying the student does not move initially... then my equation will be W = mgh?
 
cy19861126 said:
So are you saying the student does not move initially... then my equation will be W = mgh?
The starting and stopping of the student is of little consequence. It is in fact a smaller effect than descending the stairs, which is being ignored in the problem. So yes, W = mgh for each climb of the stairs.
 
OlderDan said:
The starting and stopping of the student is of little consequence. It is in fact a smaller effect than descending the stairs, which is being ignored in the problem. So yes, W = mgh for each climb of the stairs.
Thank you very much. I thought that as you are climbing the stairs, you need initial velocity, so I'm having the wrong concept here. I was thinking more of motions. So here we go again:
W = mgh
= 50 * 9.8 * (0.15 * 80)
= 5880 J
Therefore, 5880 * 100%/20% = 29400J
Then the final answer should be: 17124545 / 29400 = 583

So the student must climb 583 flight of stairs to lose 1 lb of fat. Sounds realistic! Thanks. Can you please check if I did anything wrong here?
 
cy19861126 said:
Thank you very much. I thought that as you are climbing the stairs, you need initial velocity, so I'm having the wrong concept here. I was thinking more of motions. So here we go again:
W = mgh
= 50 * 9.8 * (0.15 * 80)
= 5880 J
Therefore, 5880 * 100%/20% = 29400J
Then the final answer should be: 17124545 / 29400 = 583

So the student must climb 583 flight of stairs to lose 1 lb of fat. Sounds realistic! Thanks. Can you please check if I did anything wrong here?
That looks OK. There will be a bit more work needed the first few steps to get up to speed, but that is offset by having to do a bit less work at the top couple of steps because of the momentum that is being carried. Because of the inefficiency factor, you could include startup work to build kinetic energy the first few steps as some extra energy being burned, but assuming the stairs are at a 45° angle the kinetic energy is only about 35 J. (Except for the 45° assumption, this is what you were calculatiing in your first attempt.) As you can see, this is very small compared to the mgh work, but it would save a few trips up those stairs.
 

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