Pre-Calc. Question: Graphing Rational Functions

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The discussion revolves around graphing rational functions, specifically how to determine the number of pieces in the graph and their locations based on properties such as intercepts and asymptotes. The conversation includes both theoretical and practical aspects of graphing these functions.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant asks how to determine the number of "pieces" in the graph of a rational function, contrasting it with linear and quadratic functions which are single pieces.
  • Another participant suggests using calculus to find where the slope is zero to identify changes in direction.
  • It is noted that the function is defined for all real x except at x = 1, indicating that the graph will be in two parts due to a vertical asymptote at that point.
  • Some participants mention that the graph of the rational function is continuous everywhere it is defined, leading to the conclusion that the number of pieces corresponds to the points where the function is undefined.
  • One participant emphasizes that the numbers making the denominator zero determine the number of pieces, with the example function having one discontinuity resulting in two graph pieces.
  • Another participant points out that while vertical asymptotes can indicate where the graph is split, this is not universally applicable, as some functions may have holes instead of vertical asymptotes.
  • There is a discussion about a specific example of a rational function that has a hole at one discontinuity and a vertical asymptote at another, prompting questions about the nature of these discontinuities.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that the number of pieces in the graph of a rational function is related to the points where the function is undefined. However, there are competing views regarding the general applicability of vertical asymptotes and the presence of holes in the graph, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved on some aspects.

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Some participants mention that their methods for finding asymptotes differ from polynomial long division, and there is a lack of consensus on how to approach graphing rational functions without calculus.

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When you have a rational function, such as:

3x-5/x-1

After attaining things like the x and y intercepts and asymptotes, how do you know how many "pieces" of the graph there are? With linear functions/equations, you know it's a single line. Even quadratic graphs are a single piece - albeit a parabola. But with these rational type of functions/equations, there can sometimes be multiple pieces to graph.

How do you know how many there are?
 
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Most people would use calculus to determine where the slope is zero to give you an idea of where the function changes direction.
 
bballwaterboy said:
When you have a rational function, such as:

3x-5/x-1

After attaining things like the x and y intercepts and asymptotes, how do you know how many "pieces" of the graph there are? With linear functions/equations, you know it's a single line. Even quadratic graphs are a single piece - albeit a parabola. But with these rational type of functions/equations, there can sometimes be multiple pieces to graph.

How do you know how many there are?
I presume you mean this:
$$f(x) = \frac{3x - 5}{x - 1}$$
What you wrote is ##3x - \frac{5}{x} - 1##

Without using LaTeX, you should write the fraction using parentheses, like so: (3x - 5)/(x - 1).

There's a lot you can do without invoking calculus. Since the function is defined for all real x except x = 1, the graph will be in two parts, with the line x = 1 being the vertical asymptote.

By polynomial long division it turns out that (3x - 5)/(x - 1) = 3 + -2/(x - 1), so the graph is similar to the graph of y = -1/x with a vertical shift upwards and a horizontal shift to the right.

In addition to the vertical asymptote, there is also a horizontal asymptote, which is more evident in the 3 + -2/(x - 1) form I wrote.

About the only properties of this function that require calculus are the locations of the relative maximum and minimum points. Most everything else can be determined without the use of calculus.
 
Can you see that a rational function will be continuous everywhere that it is defined? Intuitively, "continuous" means that its graph has no break.

Then the only question is how many places the rational function could be undefined.
 
Mark44 said:
I presume you mean this:
$$f(x) = \frac{3x - 5}{x - 1}$$
What you wrote is ##3x - \frac{5}{x} - 1##

Without using LaTeX, you should write the fraction using parentheses, like so: (3x - 5)/(x - 1).

There's a lot you can do without invoking calculus. Since the function is defined for all real x except x = 1, the graph will be in two parts, with the line x = 1 being the vertical asymptote.

By polynomial long division it turns out that (3x - 5)/(x - 1) = 3 + -2/(x - 1), so the graph is similar to the graph of y = -1/x with a vertical shift upwards and a horizontal shift to the right.

In addition to the vertical asymptote, there is also a horizontal asymptote, which is more evident in the 3 + -2/(x - 1) form I wrote.

About the only properties of this function that require calculus are the locations of the relative maximum and minimum points. Most everything else can be determined without the use of calculus.

Hi, Mark44

Yes. I did mean f(x) = ... Sorry, I forgot to add the function notation before the equation. o0) I'll definitely use your recommendation for how to write fractions in the future as well. I just didn't know how to write them with the line in this forum.

We don't do any sort of polynomial long division in my class. We get the vertical and horizontal asymptotes another way. But, assuming you have the asymptotes and the x & y intercepts, my question is still how do you graph this rational functions? I know there will be points on the intercepts, but then, how do you know:

a.) how many pieces there are
b.) where those pieces of the graph are located

?

Hope that questions makes more sense now. So, in other words, I've gotten all the relevant info. and I just literally want to know what to do with that info. in terms of graphing the rational function. Thanks very much!
 
bballwaterboy said:
how do you know:

a.) how many pieces there are
The numbers that make the denominator zero determine how many pieces there are in the graph. In your function, there is only one value where the function is undefined. Therefore, the graph is in two pieces - one piece to the left of the discontinuity, and one piece to the right. This is what jbriggs444 alluded to in his post.
bballwaterboy said:
b.) where those pieces of the graph are located
See above.
 
Mark44 said:
The numbers that make the denominator zero determine how many pieces there are in the graph. In your function, there is only one value where the function is undefined. Therefore, the graph is in two pieces - one piece to the left of the discontinuity, and one piece to the right. This is what jbriggs444 alluded to in his post.
See above.

Ahh! Got it now! Thanks jbriggs444 & Mark44. This makes sense finally!
 
As Mark44 pointed out...
Find all of the vertical asymptotes (set the denominator equal to zero and solve for ##x##--this will tell you the ##x##-values through which the vertical asymptotes go).
Once you do this, you have a rough idea of where the graph of the function is "split" into pieces.
 
AMenendez said:
As Mark44 pointed out...
Find all of the vertical asymptotes (set the denominator equal to zero and solve for ##x##--this will tell you the ##x##-values through which the vertical asymptotes go).
True enough for the example of this thread, but not necessarily true in general. For example the graph of this equation --
$$y =\frac{x^2 + 3x - 4}{(x + 4)(x + 1)} $$
-- has only one vertical asymptote. At the other discontinuity there's a "hole."
AMenendez said:
Once you do this, you have a rough idea of where the graph of the function is "split" into pieces.
 
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Fair enough. Thanks for pointing that out.
 
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Mark44 said:
True enough for the example of this thread, but not necessarily true in general. For example the graph of this equation --
$$y =\frac{x^2 + 3x - 4}{(x + 4)(x + 1)} $$
-- has only one vertical asymptote. At the other discontinuity there's a "hole."

Why is there only one VA? Would x = -4 and x = -1 both not be VAs? Thanks.
 
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If you factor the numerator, you will find that ##x^2 + 3x - 4## is equal to ##(x+4)(x-1)##
 
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To elaborate on what jbriggs444 said, there's a "hole" discontinuity at x = -4. The factors of x + 4 in the numerator and denominator can be simplified to 1, as long as x is not equal to -4.
 
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