Pressure of air in cylinder under water

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The problem involves a cylinder filled with air submerged in seawater, exploring the pressure dynamics within the cylinder at a significant depth. The context includes the application of the ideal gas law and considerations of hydrostatic pressure.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the application of the ideal gas law and question the pressure calculation, particularly the terms related to the height of water and how it affects the pressure of the gas. There is a consideration of whether the pressure should account for the height of water above the air-water interface.

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Participants are actively questioning the assumptions made regarding pressure calculations and exploring different interpretations of how to apply the hydrostatic pressure concept in this context. Some guidance has been offered regarding the relationship between pressure, volume, and temperature, but no consensus has been reached.

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There is a mention of the potential insignificance of the height of water in the cylinder compared to the total depth, indicating a possible assumption about the relative sizes involved in the calculations.

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Homework Statement



Referring to the attachment, a cylinder of 2.5m filled with air is submerged to a dept of 82.3m into the sea such that sea water in cylinder is now x m. Water at bottom is 277.15K.


The Attempt at a Solution



Using ideal gas law PV=nRT of air,

the answer gives (1atm + 82.3*rho*g) * (2.5 - x) * Area of cylinder = nR(277.15)

However i don't understand why the pressure of the gas is 1 atm + 82.3*rho*g. Since the pressure of gas is dependent on height of water, shouldn't it be 1 atm + (82.3-x) * rho*g instead?

Or another reasoning is shouldn't it be like pressure of air + pressure of water trapped in cylinder = pressure at the bottom of the sea?
 

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hi frostchaos123! :smile:

(have a rho: ρ :wink:)
frostchaos123 said:
However i don't understand why the pressure of the gas is 1 atm + 82.3*rho*g. Since the pressure of gas is dependent on height of water, shouldn't it be 1 atm + (82.3-x) * rho*g instead?

yes, i think you're right …

P is the pressure on the volume of air, which is the pressure at the air-water surface, which is at height 82.3-x :smile:

(x will be very small compared with 82.3, but I'm not sure it's small enough to be negligible)
 
Thanks for the help :)
 
pressure is based on both volume and temperature of water, that might help u understand the problem a little better
 

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