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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving a stack of lead bricks, specifically focusing on calculating the mass and determining the maximum and minimum pressures exerted on the floor beneath the stack. The problem involves concepts from mechanics and fluid dynamics.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the calculation of mass using volume and density, with some confusion about the appropriate type of density to use (mass density vs. weight density). There are questions about how to calculate pressure and the significance of area in this context. Some participants suggest that the maximum pressure occurs with the smallest area in contact with the floor, while the minimum pressure occurs with the largest area.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing clarifications and raising questions about the calculations involved. There is recognition of the need to differentiate between mass and weight in the context of pressure calculations. Multiple interpretations of the problem setup are being explored, particularly regarding the area and density used in calculations.

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There is mention of the effect of gravity on pressure calculations, indicating that the pressure would vary depending on the location (e.g., Earth vs. Moon). Some participants express uncertainty about the area calculation and its role in determining pressure.

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I'm having difficulty with the part b.

Question: A stack of lead bricks measures 2.00m by 3.00m by 4.00m
a) Find the mass of the bricks.
b) Find the maximum and minimum possible pressures on the floor under the bricks in Pa and atm.

a)
A = 2m(3m)(4m)
A = 24m^3
mass = V(D)
Weight Density of lead = 11,340 kg/m^3
m = 24m^3(11,340 kg/m^3)
m = 272,160 kg.

b)...I'm thrown off by figuring minimum and maximum. Do I start with
P = F/A ??
 
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Sabres151 said:
I'm having difficulty with the part b.

Question: A stack of lead bricks measures 2.00m by 3.00m by 4.00m
a) Find the mass of the bricks.
b) Find the maximum and minimum possible pressures on the floor under the bricks in Pa and atm.

a)
A = 2m(3m)(4m)
A = 24m^3
mass = V(D)
Weight Density of lead = 11,340 kg/m^3
m = 24m^3(11,340 kg/m^3)
m = 272,160 kg.

b)...I'm thrown off by figuring minimum and maximum. Do I start with
P = F/A ??
By A I think you mean V (volume). The units for your density suggest that is mass density, not weight density. If so, there has to be a g in your calculations. I don't see an area calculation in your work, bu tyou need area to find pressure. The stack has the same wight no matter how you arrange the bricks. The maximum pressure will be with the smallest area in contact with the floor, and the minuimum pressure will be with the greatest area in contact with the floor.
 
OlderDan said:
By A I think you mean V (volume). The units for your density suggest that is mass density, not weight density. If so, there has to be a g in your calculations. I don't see an area calculation in your work, bu tyou need area to find pressure. The stack has the same wight no matter how you arrange the bricks. The maximum pressure will be with the smallest area in contact with the floor, and the minuimum pressure will be with the greatest area in contact with the floor.

Dan, thank you for the response. Yes, you are correct, by A, I should have V. And...should the calculation for the mass of the bricks be using weight density rather than mass density? I used mass density...
 
Sabres151 said:
Dan, thank you for the response. Yes, you are correct, by A, I should have V. And...should the calculation for the mass of the bricks be using weight density rather than mass density? I used mass density...
You need the weight of the stack of bricks to find the pressure. The pressure would be different on the moon than it is on earth. It is easy to get the weight from the total mass, so you have all the information you need.
 
OlderDan said:
You need the weight of the stack of bricks to find the pressure. The pressure would be different on the moon than it is on earth. It is easy to get the weight from the total mass, so you have all the information you need.

Ok, now I'm really lost. For Area, I have 24 meters cubed. To find the mass of the bricks I was using the Mass Density of lead (11,340kg/m^3).
Since m = V x D I have a mass of 272,160kg.
 
Sabres151 said:
Ok, now I'm really lost. For Area, I have 24 meters cubed. To find the mass of the bricks I was using the Mass Density of lead (11,340kg/m^3).
Since m = V x D I have a mass of 272,160kg.
24meters cubed is the volume, and that is what you need to find the mass. How do you find the weight when you know the mass? The stack of bricks is in the shape of a rectange. Each face of the rectangle has an area. Any one of the faces could be on the bottom. The pressure is the weight divided by the area.
 

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