Principles of a Second Quantum Mechanics

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The discussion revolves around a paper proposing a new representation of microstates in quantum mechanics, referred to as "second quantum mechanics" or QM2. Participants explore the implications, motivations, and reception of this work within the physics community, focusing on its theoretical foundations and potential contributions to unresolved questions in physics.

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  • One participant questions the lack of critical analysis or interest in the proposed work, suggesting that it may not be widely discussed in the literature.
  • Another participant expresses skepticism about the credibility of the author and the work, referencing a historical figure, Louis de Broglie, and suggesting that the paper lacks serious peer-reviewed publication.
  • A different viewpoint emphasizes the need for the author to clarify how the proposed QM2 addresses open questions in physics, particularly regarding unification and gravity.
  • Concerns are raised about the clarity and substance of the paper, with one participant describing it as "sophisticated word salad."

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Participants generally express skepticism about the work and its motivations, with no consensus on its validity or potential contributions to the field. Multiple competing views remain regarding the paper's significance and the author's intentions.

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Participants note the absence of peer-reviewed publication and the lack of engagement from the broader scientific community, which may limit the discussion's depth and relevance.

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Hi all,

Is there a critical analysis of this work ( https://arxiv.org/abs/1506.00431 ) that claims to develop a new representation of microstate and then using this representation as a reference-and-imbedding-structure, to develop a new foundations of an intelligible reconstruction of the Hilbert-Dirac formulation of Quantum Mechanics ?

Principles of second quantum mechnanics (QM2) is not conceived as a new "interpretation" of the nowadays quantum mechanics; nor as an achieved new theory of microstates; nor as a didactic itemization of something that already exists. It is a first outline of a fundamentally new representation of microstates required to be general, scientific, and fully intelligible.

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The author : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mioara_Mugur-Schächter
 
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This paper hasn't been published and the ideas behind it don't seem to have attracted any interest in the wider community so far - so I wouldn't be surprised to find that there isn't any serious critical analysis out there.

If anyone is aware of any serious discussion in the literature, please post it. But failing that, I'm not seeing much that can be productively discussed here under the forum rules.
 
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Ok thank for this answer.

Best regards
Patrick
 
It is well-known that in the second part of his life Louis de Broglie turned into a genuine crackpot and gathered around him all sorts of crackpots who used his fame and endorsement to publish intellectually-sounding bs. This lady (who appears to have written a wiki page about her - only a woman would skip the birth year in a biography!) is no different. Her "advertised" work never appeared in a respectable peer-review journal (unfortunately "Foundations of Physics" is half-crackpot, half-real) nor will it ever do so.

Stop wasting your life with pseudoscience. It will never bring you recognition in a mature community. De Broglie is dead for 30 years, but his unfortunate pupils still believe they are doing something important...
 
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If someone is serious about reconstructing QM foundations, before you expect someone to invest reading 159 unconventional pages you should motivate the reader(a physicists) briefly with which open real questions in physics this aims to solve in the first place?

I searched the paper and found not even anything mentioning gravity or unification but find nothing.

But it says

"It offers the principles of a new representation of microstates called a second quantum mechanics and denoted QM2, that is devoid of interpretation problems and fully reconstructed conceptually and formally in its structural principles."

IMO, to rework an excellent theory, only for the sake of "interpretations" makes little sense to me. OTOH, if the reworking is motivated by making it more natural how to EXTEND the theory to the open problems such as unification of forces, then its a difference story. But i don't get the impression that there is any such ambition in this paper.

The real question is - and this the author needs to explain before expecting anyone to read. WHY would this "second quantum mechanics" make it EASIER to solve the open problems such as unification of forces, gravity, cosmological models etc?

/Fredrik
 
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Perusing the document, I found nothing but a sophisticated word salad.

Time to close the thread.
 
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