Probability Distribution Function, H-atom

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The discussion focuses on understanding the probability distribution function for finding an electron in the ground state of the hydrogen atom, specifically how to derive it from the wavefunction. The radial probability distribution function is expressed as P(r)dr=|\psi_{1,0,0}(r)|^2(4\pi)r^2dr, which is derived by integrating the square modulus of the wavefunction over the angular coordinates in spherical coordinates. For momentum distribution, the approach involves performing a Fourier transform of the wavefunction to obtain the momentum space representation. The final step involves calculating the expectation value of momentum using the transformed wavefunction. This discussion highlights the mathematical foundations of quantum mechanics in determining probability distributions for both position and momentum.
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I'm reading Basdevant/Dalibard on 'Stationary States of the Hydrogen Atom' in preparation for a final this week, and the "Probability distribution function" for finding an electron in a spherical shell of thickness dr in the ground state is given.

It's not derived, so I was wondering if anyone could explain how to find such a distribution function.

Momentum, for example. If I wanted to find the probabilty distribution function for momentum, how would I do that?

I think I've got the wavefunction for the ground state of Hydrogen:
(using the equation involving spherical harmonics, the radial equation, and n=1, l=0, m=0)
|100>=(1/a_{o})^{2/3}e^{-r/a_{o}}\sqrt{1/{4\pi}}

Any insight would be very much appreciated!

EDIT:
Oh, to clarify, Basdevant lists this as the answer for the radial probability distribution function:

P(r)dr=|\psi_{1,0,0}(r)|^2(4\pi)r^2dr

I just don't know how he got there!
 
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logic smogic said:
I'm reading Basdevant/Dalibard on 'Stationary States of the Hydrogen Atom' in preparation for a final this week, and the "Probability distribution function" for finding an electron in a spherical shell of thickness dr in the ground state is given.

It's not derived, so I was wondering if anyone could explain how to find such a distribution function.

Solve the spectral equation for the H atom. Assume discrete spectrum (the continuous one is harder to treat, its treatment is often missing in textbooks) and then write down the eigenvectors of the Hamiltonian. By squaring the modulus of these vectors (position wavefunctions, if you assume that you use the coordinate representation in L^{2}\left(\mathbb{R}^{3}, d^{3}x\right)) you get the probability density function for localizing the electron within an open domain from R^3.

logic smogic said:
Momentum, for example. If I wanted to find the probabilty distribution function for momentum, how would I do that?

Fourier transform \langle r,\theta,\phi|nlm\rangle and then consider the square modulus.

logic smogic said:
I think I've got the wavefunction for the ground state of Hydrogen:
(using the equation involving spherical harmonics, the radial equation, and n=1, l=0, m=0)
|100>=(1/a_{0})^{2/3}e^{-r/a_{0}}\sqrt{1/{4\pi}}

Any insight would be very much appreciated!

EDIT:
Oh, to clarify, Basdevant lists this as the answer for the radial probability distribution function:

P(r)dr=|\psi_{1,0,0}(r)|^2(4\pi)r^2dr

I just don't know how he got there!
 
logic smogic said:
Basdevant lists this as the answer for the radial probability distribution function:

P(r)dr=|\psi_{1,0,0}(r)|^2(4\pi)r^2dr

I just don't know how he got there!

You get it from the volume integral of |\psi_{1,0,0}(r)|^2 in spherical coordinates, integrating over the angular coordinates but not the radial coordinate:

P(r)dr=\int_0^{2 \pi} \int_0^\pi |\psi_{1,0,0}(r)|^2 r^2 \sin \theta dr d\theta d\phi

In case you or anyone else reading this needs reminding, r^2 \sin \theta dr d\theta d\phi is the volume element in spherical coordinates, like dx dy dz is the volume element in rectangular coordinates.
 
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Fourier transform LaTeX graphic is being generated. Reload this page in a moment. and then consider the square modulus.

jtbell said:
You get it from the volume integral of |\psi_{1,0,0}(r)|^2 in spherical coordinates, integrating over the angular coordinates but not the radial coordinate:

P(r)dr=\int_0^{2 \pi} \int_0^\pi |\psi_{1,0,0}(r)|^2 r^2 \sin \theta dr d\theta d\phi

In case you or anyone else reading this needs reminding, r^2 \sin \theta dr d\theta d\phi is the volume element in spherical coordinates, like dx dy dz is the volume element in rectangular coordinates.

Okay, so for momentum, my plan of attack is to FT \psi_{1,0,0}(r) to \phi(p), and then
<\phi|p|\phi>=\int(\phi*p\phi)d^3p.
 
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