Probability Distribution of Geometric Random Variables

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The discussion revolves around the probability distribution of the number of slots until a success when tossing coins with decreasing probabilities of heads in each slot. Participants explore the implications of this setup, particularly how it differs from a standard geometric distribution.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes a process of tossing a coin with probabilities of heads decreasing as 1/2, 1/4, and 1/2^i for each subsequent slot, questioning the resulting probability distribution.
  • Another participant challenges an initial response, suggesting a misunderstanding regarding the conditions of previous slots needing to be all tails rather than just no heads.
  • A later reply acknowledges the earlier confusion and confirms the probability formula provided, noting that the sum of probabilities being less than one indicates that the event of eventually getting a head is not guaranteed.
  • One participant suggests that the probabilities not summing to one may not be a deficiency, proposing that there is a non-zero probability of never getting a head.
  • Another participant adds that the average number of slots to get a head is infinite, indicating a potential divergence in expectations regarding the process.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of the probabilities not summing to one and the nature of the average number of slots until success. No consensus is reached on the overall probability distribution or its characteristics.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the probabilities involved are dependent on the specific definitions and conditions set for the coin tosses, and there are unresolved aspects regarding the mathematical steps leading to the conclusions drawn.

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Dear friends,

I have divided the time into slots of fixed size. And i toss a coin of probability of heads 1/2 in the first slot. In the next slot, i toss a coin of probability of head 1/4, and in the i^th slot i toss a coin of prob of head 1/2^i. I do this until i get a head. What is the probability distribution of the no. of slots until a success?If it was fixed Prob of heads in each slot, the prob was as easy as a pie. (Geometric)

Initially i thought that, the distribution is View attachment 141for i>=2, and for i=1, prob(i=1)=1/2But this prob distribution do not sum up to one( Mathematica says that it is approximately 0.72). Can anyone explain me why it is not true? What is the real ans?I am perplexed. Thanks in advance.
 

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Re: To find out the probability distribution of" something like geometric random variables"

Hai,

Thanks for the immediate reply.

But i don't think that your ans is correct.

I considered that, in the previous n-1 slots, none are heads, but in your case it is none are 'all heads' in the previous n-1 slots.
 
Re: To find out the probability distribution of" something like geometric random variables"

bincybn said:
Hai,

Thanks for the immediate reply.

But i don't think that your ans is correct.

I considered that, in the previous n-1 slots, none are heads, but in your case it is none are 'all heads' in the previous n-1 slots.

Of course You are right and I deleted my post... very sorry!...

The probability to have a head in the n-th slot and 'all tails' in the previously n-1 slots is, as You wrote,...

$\displaystyle P_{n}=2^{-n}\ \prod_{k=1}^{n} (1-2^{-k})$ (1)

The fact that $\displaystyle \sum_{n=1}^{\infty} P_{n}<1$ is not surprising because the event 'an head sooner or later' is not 'sure' ,i.e. it has not probability 1...

Kind regards

$\chi$ $\sigma$
 
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Re: To find out the probability distribution of" something like geometric random variables"

bincybn said:
Dear friends,

I have divided the time into slots of fixed size. And i toss a coin of probability of heads 1/2 in the first slot. In the next slot, i toss a coin of probability of head 1/4, and in the i^th slot i toss a coin of prob of head 1/2^i. I do this until i get a head. What is the probability distribution of the no. of slots until a success?If it was fixed Prob of heads in each slot, the prob was as easy as a pie. (Geometric)

Initially i thought that, the distribution is View attachment 141for i>=2, and for i=1, prob(i=1)=1/2But this prob distribution do not sum up to one( Mathematica says that it is approximately 0.72). Can anyone explain me why it is not true? What is the real ans?I am perplexed. Thanks in advance.
That the probabilities do not sum to one is not necessarily a deficiency in this case. It is possible with these decreasing probabilities of success that the probability of never getting a head is non-zero.

I think what you have is correct, you just have to add the extra case that the probability of never getting a head is 1 minus the sum of the probabilities that you have.

By the way the formula works for i=1 as well, since the empty product is 1.

CB
 
Re: To find out the probability distribution of" something like geometric random variables"

Thanks all of you. I am convinced with your answers.

I have to add one more thing that the avg no. of slots to get a head is infinity.:p
 

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