Calculating Probability with Random Variables and Constants

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The discussion revolves around calculating the probability involving random variables and constants, specifically the expression Pr[α1/(α2+1) ≤ γ], where α1 and α2 are random variables and γ is a constant. Participants explore different methods for expressing this probability, including integrals and convolution of distributions.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes an integral representation of the probability, suggesting that Pr[α1/(α2+1) ≤ γ] can be expressed as an integral involving the probability density function (pdf) of α2.
  • Another participant agrees that the integral represents an "average" and assumes α2 + 1 > 0 for the expression to hold.
  • A different participant reformulates the probability in terms of a sum of random variables, indicating that this can be approached through convolution of their distributions, under the assumption that α2 + 1 ≥ 0.
  • Further clarification is requested on how to derive the probability in terms of the individual pdfs of the independent random variables.
  • Another participant mentions using the transformation theorem for functions of random variables to find new pdfs and suggests using convolution or probability generating functions for sums of independent variables.
  • A later reply confirms that both the integral approach and the convolution approach will yield the same result, albeit expressed differently.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the validity of both the integral and convolution approaches, but there is no consensus on the preferred method or the implications of the assumptions made regarding the random variables.

Contextual Notes

Assumptions regarding the positivity of α2 + 1 are noted, and the discussion includes various methods for handling the distributions of random variables without resolving the mathematical intricacies involved.

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Hello all,

I have a question:

Suppose I want to find the following probability:

Pr\left[\frac{\alpha_1}{\alpha_2+1}\leq\gamma\right]

where ##\alpha_i## for i=1, 2 is a random variable, whatever the distribution is, and ##\gamma## is a constant. Can I write it as

Pr\left[\frac{\alpha_1}{\alpha_2+1}\leq\gamma\right]=\int_{\alpha_2}\Pr\left[\alpha_1\leq\gamma(\alpha_2+1)\right]\,f_{\alpha_2}(\alpha_2)\,d\alpha_2

where ##f_{\alpha_2}(\alpha_2)## is the p.d.f of the random variable ##\alpha_2##, or I need to average over the distribution of ##\gamma(\alpha_2+1)##?

Thanks
 
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The integral is exactly this "average". Should work like that, assuming α2+1 > 0.
 
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Pr(\frac{\alpha_1}{\alpha_2 +1}\le \gamma)=Pr(\alpha_1 \le (\alpha_2+1)\gamma)=Pr(\alpha_1-\alpha_2 \times \gamma \le \gamma).. The last expression is in the form of a sum of (presumed independent) random variables. There is a standard expression, involving convolution of the individual distributions. This assumes \alpha_2+1 \ge 0.
 
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mathman said:
Pr(\frac{\alpha_1}{\alpha_2 +1}\le \gamma)=Pr(\alpha_1 \le (\alpha_2+1)\gamma)=Pr(\alpha_1-\alpha_2 \times \gamma \le \gamma).. The last expression is in the form of a sum of (presumed independent) random variables. There is a standard expression, involving convolution of the individual distributions. This assumes \alpha_2+1 \ge 0.

Thanks. Could you give more details on how to find your last probability in terms of the individual pdfs of the independent random variables?
 
Hey S_David.

If you have a function of a random variable you can use the transformation theorem to get the new PDF for the new random variable.

For the sums look at convolution or probability generating functions if they are independent or use the joint and/or conditional distributions to get the probability.
 
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Just to clarify that: the approach in post 1 is fine, the approach with the convolution will lead to the same thing, just expressed in a different way.
 
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