Calculating Probability with Random Variables and Constants

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In summary: The convolution is the integral over the joint distribution of the two variables, and the other approach is the integral over the conditional distribution. Both are perfectly valid and will give the same result.In summary, the conversation discusses finding the probability of an inequality involving two random variables and a constant. The suggested approach is to use the transformation theorem to find the new PDF for the transformed random variable and then use convolution or joint and conditional distributions to calculate the probability. Both approaches will lead to the same result.
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Hello all,

I have a question:

Suppose I want to find the following probability:

[tex]Pr\left[\frac{\alpha_1}{\alpha_2+1}\leq\gamma\right][/tex]

where ##\alpha_i## for i=1, 2 is a random variable, whatever the distribution is, and ##\gamma## is a constant. Can I write it as

[tex]Pr\left[\frac{\alpha_1}{\alpha_2+1}\leq\gamma\right]=\int_{\alpha_2}\Pr\left[\alpha_1\leq\gamma(\alpha_2+1)\right]\,f_{\alpha_2}(\alpha_2)\,d\alpha_2[/tex]

where ##f_{\alpha_2}(\alpha_2)## is the p.d.f of the random variable ##\alpha_2##, or I need to average over the distribution of ##\gamma(\alpha_2+1)##?

Thanks
 
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The integral is exactly this "average". Should work like that, assuming α2+1 > 0.
 
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[itex]Pr(\frac{\alpha_1}{\alpha_2 +1}\le \gamma)=Pr(\alpha_1 \le (\alpha_2+1)\gamma)=Pr(\alpha_1-\alpha_2 \times \gamma \le \gamma)[/itex].. The last expression is in the form of a sum of (presumed independent) random variables. There is a standard expression, involving convolution of the individual distributions. This assumes [itex]\alpha_2+1 \ge 0[/itex].
 
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[itex]Pr(\frac{\alpha_1}{\alpha_2 +1}\le \gamma)=Pr(\alpha_1 \le (\alpha_2+1)\gamma)=Pr(\alpha_1-\alpha_2 \times \gamma \le \gamma)[/itex].. The last expression is in the form of a sum of (presumed independent) random variables. There is a standard expression, involving convolution of the individual distributions. This assumes [itex]\alpha_2+1 \ge 0[/itex].

Thanks. Could you give more details on how to find your last probability in terms of the individual pdfs of the independent random variables?
 
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Hey S_David.

If you have a function of a random variable you can use the transformation theorem to get the new PDF for the new random variable.

For the sums look at convolution or probability generating functions if they are independent or use the joint and/or conditional distributions to get the probability.
 
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Just to clarify that: the approach in post 1 is fine, the approach with the convolution will lead to the same thing, just expressed in a different way.
 
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1. What is probability and why is it important in science?

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