Probability/entropy of spontaneous event

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The discussion centers on the probability of a 10g pencil spontaneously jumping 10cm into the air from a resting position at 15°C. It is suggested that, while the immediate answer may seem to be 100 percent, practical considerations limit this possibility to an extremely long timeframe, potentially exceeding the universe's lifetime. The conversation highlights the difference in molecular movement, noting that molecules have zero velocity when at rest and a measurable velocity when airborne. Participants express uncertainty about how to relate gravitational potential energy to probability and entropy, indicating a need for further study of energy partition functions and the Boltzmann factor. Overall, the discussion emphasizes the complex relationship between thermodynamics, probability, and molecular behavior.
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Homework Statement
What is the probability that a 10g pencil lying on a table will spring spontaneously 10cm into the air at the expense of thermal energy of its surroundings which are at 15°C. What do you conclude from your result?

I’m guessing I’m supposed to calculate the gravitational potential energy, which comes from the thermal energy of the surroundings, but I’m not sure how that relates to probability. In my course I’ve only been given entropy equations, not sure how it relates to probability
Relevant Equations
dS = dQ/T

U = mgh
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What is the difference in how the molecules of the pencil are moving between when it is lying at rest at 15C and when it is springing up in the air?
 
so_gr_lo said:
Homework Statement:: What is the probability that a 10g pencil lying on a table will spring spontaneously 10cm into the air at the expense of thermal energy of its surroundings which are at 15°C. What do you conclude from your result?
Without calculating anything, the immediate answer is 100 percent. If it is permissible, it will happen. Eventually.

Probably the intent is to ask about leaving the system alone for a suitably long time and then inspecting it to see whether the pencil is or is not 10 cm in the air.
 
jbriggs444 said:
Eventually
Unless that exceeds the lifetime of the universe.
 
haruspex said:
What is the difference in how the molecules of the pencil are moving between when it is lying at rest at 15C and when it is springing up in the air?
The molecules have zero velocity at rest but a velocity in the air?
 
so_gr_lo said:
The molecules have zero velocity at rest
Not if the pencil is at 15C.
 
so_gr_lo said:
Homework Statement:: What is the probability that a 10g pencil lying on a table will spring spontaneously 10cm into the air at the expense of thermal energy of its surroundings which are at 15°C. What do you conclude from your result?

I’m guessing I’m supposed to calculate the gravitational potential energy, which comes from the thermal energy of the surroundings, but I’m not sure how that relates to probability. In my course I’ve only been given entropy equations, not sure how it relates to probability
Relevant Equations:: dS = dQ/T

U = mgh

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Entropy change is correct. For probability, you need to go back and look up your lecture note/book on energy partition function and Boltzmann factor.
 
These are the equations I have in my notes, are they the ones your referring to?

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