Probability functions in a unit circle

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves selecting a point on the unit axis and determining the distance from that point to where a perpendicular line intersects the unit circle. Participants are tasked with finding the density and cumulative functions of this distance.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to relate the distance Y to trigonometric functions, specifically using sine, but expresses uncertainty about the overall approach.
  • Some participants question the definition of the "unit axis" and suggest clarifying the setup, including whether points are chosen uniformly.
  • Others propose working directly in Cartesian coordinates to simplify the problem and focus on algebraic relationships rather than trigonometric functions.
  • One participant raises a concern about transitioning from a set of Y values to probabilities, referencing the uniform distribution.
  • Another participant discusses the nature of probabilities in continuous distributions, emphasizing that the probability of Y taking on a specific value is zero, but probabilities over intervals can be defined.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with various interpretations and approaches being explored. Some participants have provided insights into the relationship between Y and X, including the use of the Pythagorean theorem to derive expressions for cumulative and density functions. There is no explicit consensus yet, but productive lines of reasoning are being developed.

Contextual Notes

Participants are navigating the complexities of probability theory and the implications of continuous distributions. There is an acknowledgment of the challenges in defining the problem's parameters and the mathematical relationships involved.

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Homework Statement


Choose a point in the unit axis, say x.Let Y be the distance of that point and the point where thε perpendicular line crosses the unit circle.
Find the density and cumulative functions of Y.


Homework Equations


Basic trigonometry i guess.


The Attempt at a Solution


I don't really have much of a clue.
Y equals r sin(θ) = sin(θ) , since the radius of the unit circle is 1.
I get the feeling that the curve of f(Y) will kind of resemble a normal distribution, since most values of sin(y) are closer to 1 and drop quicker as x approches +1 or -1.
 
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What's the unit axis? Does this mean "pick a point uniformly at random on [0,1]" ?

I'm not sure exactly what [itex]\theta[/itex] you are using here, but it is true that doing something with [itex]\sin \theta[/itex] for a properly defined [itex]\theta[/itex] could lead you to the right answer.

But maybe it's easier to just work directly in Cartesian coordinates, simply because you are picking a Cartesian coordinate directly with uniform probability, and so you might have some mild unpleasantness in converting the problem to polar coordinates.

Suppose you pick x. Draw the triangle and figure out what the value of y is. Then maybe you can write down the density function, or an integral expression for the cumulative distribution function. Don't worry about trig functions just yet; everything here is algebraic.
 
It's too late for the homework now, but i'd like to know the solution.

The values of Y are found-able.I couldn't though find a mapping to a probability.
How do you get from a set of (infinite) Y values to a probability of each?

After sniffing around in wiki (yeah i suck that bad in probability theory), i found about the uniform distribution, where each event is equally likely,which i think fits this problem.
 
Here's what happens. The probability that Y takes on any particular value is actually zero, because the probability that X takes on any particular value is zero. What we can talk about is the probability that Y takes on a value in an interval.

So, for example, what is the probability that Y is on [0,1] in your problem? Clearly it's 1 because no matter what X is, Y will be on that interval. Now suppose we look at [itex]x=\frac{1}{2}[/itex]. If [itex]x=\frac{1}{2}[/itex], then what is Y? Well, we can use the Pythagorean Theorem, and see that

[tex]y=\sqrt{1^2 - \left(\frac{1}{2}\right)^2} = \frac{\sqrt{3}}{2}[/tex].

Now it's pretty easy to see that if x is greater than [itex]\frac{1}{2}[/itex], then y is smaller than this, so we know that the probability that [itex]Y < \frac{\sqrt{3}}{2}[/itex] is the same as the probability that [itex]x > \frac{1}{2}[/itex], which is [itex]\frac{1}{2}[/itex]. More generally, if we want to know the likelihood that Y is less than some particular value [itex]y_0[/itex], we have that this happens as long as
[tex]x > \sqrt{1-y_0^2} [/itex], which happens with probability 1 - that. So we have the following cumulative distribution function:<br /> <br /> [tex]P[Y < y] = 1 - \sqrt{1 - y^2}[/tex]<br /> <br /> And the density function is just the derivative of that, which is:<br /> <br /> [tex]f(y) = \frac{y}{\sqrt{1 - y^2}}[/tex][/tex]
 

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