Probability Generating Functions Question

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The discussion revolves around a probability problem involving the expected number of attempts needed to achieve at least two scores of 18 from rolling three dice six times. The context includes the mechanics of the game and the implications of starting over after each set of rolls.

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  • Participants discuss the probability of rolling three sixes and the calculations involved in determining the expected number of attempts. Questions are raised about the rules of the game, particularly regarding the treatment of scores when starting over and the interpretation of rolling totals.

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Some participants have clarified that starting over means discarding current scores. There is ongoing exploration of the rules and definitions related to the game mechanics, with multiple interpretations being considered.

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Questions remain about the specific rules regarding scoring and the relationship to probability generating functions, indicating potential gaps in understanding the problem setup.

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Homework Statement


In playing a certain game, your ability scores are determined by six independent rolls of three dice. After each set of six rolls, you are given the choice of keeping your scores or starting over.

(a) How many times should you expect to start over in order to get a set of ability scores with at least two scores that are 18?

Homework Equations


Binomial Probability Formula = (N choose K)Pkqn-k

E(X)=1/p
From the PGF for Geometric Distribution

The Attempt at a Solution



Probability of rolling three sixes (18) is 1/216.

P(Rolling 18 ≥ 2 in 6 trials) = 1 - P(0 18s) - P(1 18)
= 1 - (215/216)6 - (6)(1/216)(215/216)5 ≈ .00031755
(Binomial Probability Formula)

Using the Geometric (.00031755) Distribution, E(X) = 1/p = 1/.00031755 ≈ 3149

Where E(X) is the expected number of repeats before getting ≥ 2 18s.

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Tim 1234 said:

Homework Statement


In playing a certain game, your ability scores are determined by six independent rolls of three dice. After each set of six rolls, you are given the choice of keeping your scores or starting over.

(a) How many times should you expect to start over in order to get a set of ability scores with at least two scores that are 18?

Homework Equations


Binomial Probability Formula = (N choose K)Pkqn-k

E(X)=1/p
From the PGF for Geometric Distribution

The Attempt at a Solution



Probability of rolling three sixes (18) is 1/216.

P(Rolling 18 ≥ 2 in 6 trials) = 1 - P(0 18s) - P(1 18)
= 1 - (215/216)6 - (6)(1/216)(215/216)5 ≈ .00031755
(Binomial Probability Formula)

Using the Geometric (.00031755) Distribution, E(X) = 1/p = 1/.00031755 ≈ 3149

Where E(X) is the expected number of repeats before getting ≥ 2 18s.
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Please clarify: (1) If you decide to start over, do you discard your current scores and go back to 0? (It sound like you do.) (2) If on one roll of 6 dice you get a total of 36 , does that automatically count as two '18s'? (3) Are we allowed to make six rolls (of 6 dice in each roll), getting 6 each time, for a total of 36 = 18 ×2? (4) What has any of this to do with probability generating functions?
 
If you start over, all of your current scores are discarded.

The trials consist of 6 independent rolls of three dice. So, you have a set of 6 sums of the roll of three dice.
So to get two "18s" you would need to roll three sixes twice in 6 attempts at rolling three dice.
 
Tim 1234 said:
If you start over, all of your current scores are discarded.

The trials consist of 6 independent rolls of three dice. So, you have a set of 6 sums of the roll of three dice.
So to get two "18s" you would need to roll three sixes twice in 6 attempts at rolling three dice.

Of course: you did say that, more or less.
 

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