Probability of simultaneous measurements of momentum and position

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the probability of simultaneously measuring momentum and position in a three-dimensional wavefunction context. Participants explore the implications of such measurements, particularly focusing on the mathematical approach to calculating probabilities for specified ranges of position and momentum.

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  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant queries how to calculate the probability of simultaneous measurements of momentum and position, specifically for ranges of y and Pz.
  • Another participant questions the meaning of "simultaneous measurement," suggesting that the order of measurement may not matter for non-commuting observables.
  • A different participant proposes that since x, y, and Pz are mutually commuting observables, it is beneficial to express the wavefunction in the corresponding basis and suggests performing a Fourier transform to facilitate the calculation.
  • A later reply acknowledges the ambiguity in the original phrasing and expresses satisfaction with the proposed method for calculating the probability.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

There is no clear consensus on the interpretation of simultaneous measurements, as participants express differing views on the implications of measurement order and the mathematical approach to the problem.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the need for clarity regarding the definitions of simultaneous measurements and the mathematical steps involved in integrating the wavefunction. The discussion highlights assumptions related to the commutation of observables.

Karl G.
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Query:
Given a three- dimensional wavefunction (phi) (x, y, z),
what is the probability of simultaneously measuring
momentum and position to obtain the results
a < y < b and p' < Pz < P" ?
I know that integration of the square norm of the wavefunction of the region
under question yields the probability for finding the position or momentum
of the system described by the wavefunction. But how do you do this
for simultaneous measurements of momentum and position?

Thanks!
 
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What do you mean by "simultaneous measurement"? One single measurement that immediately produces both values of the observable? Don't you think that if this is the case, then it doesn't matter how we proceed with the sequence of AB versus BA for non-commuting observables?

Zz.
 
Karl G. said:
Query:
Given a three- dimensional wavefunction (phi) (x, y, z),
what is the probability of simultaneously measuring
momentum and position to obtain the results
a < y < b and p' < Pz < P" ?
I know that integration of the square norm of the wavefunction of the region
under question yields the probability for finding the position or momentum
of the system described by the wavefunction. But how do you do this
for simultaneous measurements of momentum and position?

Thanks!

x, y, and pz are three mutually commuting observables, so it would be convenient to write your wave function in the corresponding basis (phi)(x, y, pz). (To do that, you can perform a Fourier transform of your position-space wave function (phi) (x, y, z) on the variable z.) The next step would be to take the square of the modulus |(phi)(x, y, pz)|^2 and integrate it on the given region of y and pz.
 
Sorry to ZapperZ for ambguities in phrasing. However, meopemuk's answer was the one I was looking for. Thanks!
 

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