Probability problem (counting numbers which are not divisible by ##k##

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The discussion revolves around a probability problem involving counting the numbers from 1 to n that are divisible by a natural number k. Participants are tasked with finding the probability P(A_k) for each k that divides n, while exploring the implications of divisibility and counting methods.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the relationship between P(A_k) and its complement, questioning how to count numbers not divisible by k. There is mention of Euler's totient function and its relevance to coprime numbers. Some participants seek clarification on the implications of overlapping sets, such as A_2 and A_4.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants sharing their interpretations and seeking advice on counting methods. Clarifications on the definitions and relationships between different sets have been provided, but no consensus has been reached on a specific approach to the problem.

Contextual Notes

There is an ambiguity noted regarding the intersections of sets A_k, which raises questions about how to handle overlapping probabilities. The problem context includes considerations of divisibility and the need for precise counting methods, particularly for values of k greater than 3.

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Homework Statement



Suppose one extracts a ball from a box containing ##n## numbered balls from ##1## to ##n##. For each ##1 \leq k \leq n##, we define ##A_k=\{\text{the number of the chosen ball is divisible by k}\}.##

Find ##P(A_k)## for each natural number which divides ##n##.

The Attempt at a Solution



I thought of thinking of ##P(A_k)## as ##P(A_k)=1-P({A_k}^c)##. And ##P({A_k}^c)=\{\text{the number of the chosen ball is not divisible by k}\}##. If ##k\geq 3##, then I know how many numbers less than ##k## are coprime with ##k## (Euler's totient function), however, in this case I would need the numbers greater than ##k## which are not divisible by ##k##. I don't know how to count them. I couldn't think of anything else, any advice or suggestions would be appreciated.
 
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mahler1 said:

Homework Statement



Suppose one extracts a ball from a box containing ##n## numbered balls from ##1## to ##n##. For each ##1 \geq k \geq n##, we define ##A_k=\{\text{the number of the chosen ball is divisible by k}\}.##

Find ##P(A_k)## for each natural number which divides ##n##.

The Attempt at a Solution



I thought of thinking of ##P(A_k)## as ##P(A_k)=1-P({A_k}^c)##. And ##P({A_k}^c)=\{\text{the number of the chosen ball is not divisible by k}\}##. If ##k\geq 3##, then I know how many numbers less than ##k## are coprime with ##k## (Euler's totient function), however, in this case I would need the numbers greater than ##k## which are not divisible by ##k##. I don't know how to count them. I couldn't think of anything else, any advice or suggestions would be appreciated.

If I understand what you are saying, ##P(A_2)## is the probability of choosing an even number, while ##P(A_3)## is the probability of choosing a multiple of 3, ##P(A_4)## is the probability of choosing a multiple of 4, etc. Is that right? As it stands, there seems to be an ambiguity: ##A_2 \cap A_4 \neq \emptyset##, etc. Would that be OK?
 
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Ray Vickson said:
If I understand what you are saying, ##P(A_2)## is the probability of choosing an even number, while ##P(A_3)## is the probability of choosing a multiple of 3, ##P(A_4)## is the probability of choosing a multiple of 4, etc. Is that right? As it stands, there seems to be an ambiguity: ##A_2 \cap A_4 \neq \emptyset##, etc. Would that be OK?

It is exactly as you've said, sorry for not making myself clear.
 
A number is divisible by k if it is a multiple of it ...
What is the largest m such that ##mk \leq n##?
 

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