Probability that two measurements have the same true value

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The discussion revolves around a lab course focused on Brownian motion, where the original poster is analyzing two-dimensional movement data. They are tasked with determining the probability that two sets of measurements correspond to the same true value, utilizing Gaussian probability functions.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the application of Gaussian probability functions and question how to compare means and standard deviations to assess the likelihood of identical true values. There is also a discussion about the independence of measurements and their normal distribution.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided guidance on calculating likelihoods rather than probabilities, suggesting methods to compare observed differences to expected distributions. There is an ongoing exploration of statistical techniques that could be applied, with participants seeking clarification on how to proceed.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the size of the data sets (about 150 measurements each) and the observed normal distribution in histograms. There is an acknowledgment of the limitations in deriving a direct probability from the dataset, leading to discussions about alternative statistical tests.

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Homework Statement


I am in a lab course studying Brownian motion. I have gathered data for for movement in two dimensions.
I currently have a fairly large data set for ∆x and ∆y and have taken the mean and standard deviation of each.

The lab asks what is the probability that these two sets of measurements correspond to the same 'actual value'?

Homework Equations



We have been introduced to gaussian probability functions, but I'm not sure how to apply them to find a probability in this way.

The Attempt at a Solution


I have tried to apply numerical solutions to the above mentioned equations but I keep getting confused. Do I need to find the difference between the mean values and compare them to the standard deviation somehow? Could use a solid starting place.
 
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You cannot find such a probability with your dataset. You can only find a likelihood: "If the true values are the same, how likely am I to observe a deviation as large or larger than I saw?" That's something you can calculate with the means and standard deviations you have. If that probability is high, then it can indicate that the two true values could be identical. If it is small, they are probably not identical.
 
Daniel Sellers said:

Homework Statement


I am in a lab course studying Brownian motion. I have gathered data for for movement in two dimensions.
I currently have a fairly large data set for ∆x and ∆y and have taken the mean and standard deviation of each.

The lab asks what is the probability that these two sets of measurements correspond to the same 'actual value'?

Homework Equations



We have been introduced to gaussian probability functions, but I'm not sure how to apply them to find a probability in this way.

The Attempt at a Solution


I have tried to apply numerical solutions to the above mentioned equations but I keep getting confused. Do I need to find the difference between the mean values and compare them to the standard deviation somehow? Could use a solid starting place.

Are the successive values of ##\Delta x## and ##\Delta y## independent? Are the ##\Delta x## and ##\Delta y## independent of each other? Are the values of ##\Delta x## and ##\Delta y## normally-distributed? If the answer to ALL of these questions is yes, then you can proceed using standard statistical techniques, and if you give some more details we can perhaps supply a few more hints or website links.
 
The values should be independent, the histograms I made seem to show a normal distribution.
As for details, I have pretty much given them. I have a set of about 150 of each, their mean and standard deviation.
mfb said:
You cannot find such a probability with your dataset. You can only find a likelihood: "If the true values are the same, how likely am I to observe a deviation as large or larger than I saw?" That's something you can calculate with the means and standard deviations you have. If that probability is high, then it can indicate that the two true values could be identical. If it is small, they are probably not identical.

That's encouraging. What process might I use to state that probability? Do I need to add the probabilities that the expected value is within one standard deviation of each mean? Or compare the total discrepancy between the mean values to their deviations?

Clearly, statistics is not my strong suit. Thanks for your replies.
 
Compare the observed difference to the distribution of the difference (for the same true mean value = 0 difference).
 
Daniel Sellers said:
The values should be independent, the histograms I made seem to show a normal distribution.
As for details, I have pretty much given them. I have a set of about 150 of each, their mean and standard deviation.That's encouraging. What process might I use to state that probability? Do I need to add the probabilities that the expected value is within one standard deviation of each mean? Or compare the total discrepancy between the mean values to their deviations?

Clearly, statistics is not my strong suit. Thanks for your replies.

See http://www.milefoot.com/math/stat/ht-means.htm
It has all the formulas you need, plus an example exactly like yours, worked out in detail.

If the data for ##\Delta x## and ##\Delta y## are "separate", you can perform an "approximate" t-test (as shown in the link), but if the ##\Delta x## and ##\Delta y## are linked as measured pairs ##(\Delta x, \Delta y)## you can perform a "paired-sample" t-test without making any approximations. This is also done in the link. The paired-sample test is more reliable.
 
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