Problem about postulate of the invariance of the speed of light

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the postulate of the invariance of the speed of light, particularly in the context of redshift observed when moving away from a light source. Participants explore the implications of this phenomenon on the understanding of relative velocities and the constancy of the speed of light, engaging in both conceptual and technical reasoning.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant argues that redshift indicates a change in the relative velocity between an observer and a light source, suggesting that light does not travel at speed c relative to the observer.
  • Another participant clarifies the difference between separation rate and relative velocity, asserting that relative velocity does not exceed c and is always c for light.
  • Some participants challenge the claim that light appears to move slower due to redshift, stating that redshift can occur even with constant relative velocity.
  • There is a discussion about the interpretation of light travel time and how it relates to the distance of the light source and the timing of emitted light peaks.
  • One participant expresses difficulty reconciling their understanding of redshift with the postulate of invariance, suggesting a potential misunderstanding of relativity.
  • Another participant emphasizes that the invariance of the speed of light is compatible with relativity, pointing out that misunderstandings do not reflect issues with the theory itself.
  • A detailed mathematical explanation is provided regarding the relativistic velocity addition law and its implications for the perceived speed of light and redshift calculations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants exhibit significant disagreement regarding the interpretation of redshift and its implications for the speed of light. There is no consensus on the claims made about relative velocity and the implications for the postulate of invariance.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference various concepts such as separation rate, relative velocity, and the relativistic velocity addition law, indicating a complex interplay of ideas that may depend on specific definitions and interpretations. Some assumptions about observer perspectives and measurement limitations are also noted but remain unresolved.

  • #31
externo said:
The question is: is space-time Minkowskian or euclidean ?

Answer from Minkowski:

Wikipedia said:
Minkowski argued that Lorentz's introduction of the contraction hypothesis "sounds rather fantastical", since it is not the product of resistance in the aether but a "gift from above". He said that this hypothesis is "completely equivalent with the new concept of space and time", though it becomes much more comprehensible in the framework of the new spacetime geometry.
Source:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorentz_ether_theory#Special_relativity
 
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  • #33
The advantages or disadvantages of LET are off topic for this thread and further posts on its virtues or problems will be deleted. This thread is about the relativistic Doppler effect which can be analyzed using LET or not, as desired without arguing either for or against LET.
 
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