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You argued in #4, that starting with a basis for ##V## is not the right approach. Not that starting with a basis for ##S##, which is what I suggested, is not the right approach. At least I did not see it elsewhere. But yes, I guess then your approach is taking a nontrivial combination of n+1 basis vectors in S, which are necessarily dependent , as they live in V, so we backtrack to S and get a nontrivial combination that equals 0.PeroK said:Okay, but one problem is that the vectors in the basis for ##V## may not be in the subspace ##S## at all. Maybe starting with a basis for ##V## is not the right approach?