Problem on Radiation Pressure

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The discussion revolves around a problem involving radiation pressure on a conical structure with a reflecting base and an absorbent tip. The original poster presents a question about calculating the ratio of forces exerted by light on the base and the tip, given that the intensity of light is constant.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the relationship between the areas of the base and the tip, questioning how to express one in terms of the other. There is also discussion about the implications of the tip being an infinitesimally small area and the need for additional information to resolve the problem.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights and questioning the completeness of the original problem statement. Some suggest that a diagram would clarify the situation, while others emphasize the need for specific dimensions to derive the necessary ratios.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the original question lacks sufficient detail, such as the dimensions of the frustum, which complicates the ability to find the area of the base in relation to the tip. There is also confusion regarding the terminology used to describe the areas involved.

  • #31
Mohammad Ishmas said:
Sorry but I didn't get you, what do you mean by , "the larger surface is partly shaded or displaced by the smaller one." ?
The portion of the light beam that strikes the smaller upper surface (the frustrum) is absorbed. It cannot then strike the larger lower surface. The lower surface is partly shaded by the upper surface.

Presumably the walls of the cone are constructed of a transparent material with negligible thickness or a refractive index of one.

It is important to assume that the base of the cone has specular reflection (like a mirror) rather than diffuse reflection (like a white painted wall). Not only does this assure us that the full factor of two is achieved, it also assures us that the light rebounding from the base does not strike the bottom side of the frustrum.
 
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  • #32
haruspex said:
Ok. However, if the diagram in post #25 is accurate, the larger surface is partly shaded or displaced by the smaller one. But since the ratio is given as large, presumably we can ignore that.

jbriggs444 said:
The portion of the light beam that strikes the smaller upper surface (the frustrum) is absorbed. It cannot then strike the larger lower surface. The lower surface is partly shaded by the upper surface.

Presumably the walls of the cone are constructed of a transparent material with negligible thickness or a refractive index of one.

It is important to assume that the base of the cone has specular reflection (like a mirror) rather than diffuse reflection (like a white painted wall). Not only does this assure us that the full factor of two is achieved, it also assures us that the light rebounding from the base does not strike the bottom side of the frustrum.
Thank you , I understood your point. It would have been more clearer if there were 2 light sources mentioned in the question like one that strikes the top of frustrum and the other strikes the base .
 
  • #33
Steve4Physics said:
If the total area is infinitesimally small, then there is no integration to perform; the total force is infinitesimally small, i.e zero. A non-zero force can only arise for a finite area.

Are trying to solve a different problem requiring integration? Maybe this:

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If this was the question , where the light strikes the slanted surface of the cone then how we would find the area of where the light exerts force ?
 
  • #34
Mohammad Ishmas said:
If this was the question , where the light strikes the slanted surface of the cone then how we would find the area of where the light exerts force ?
@Mohammad Ishmas, there are now several different versions of your question on this thread. It is still not clear (to me anyway) which one (if any) is correct.

New replies to this thread are going to add to the confusion because it will not be clear which version of the question is being addressed.

If you have a specific question, then you could start a completely new thread with:
- an explanation that it is a ‘spin-off’ from this thread;
- a complete, accurate, unambiguous problem-statement, including a diagram;
- your own attempt at an answer - as required by the forum rules.
 
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