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The discussion revolves around solving a differential equation of the form x' = tx + 6te^(-t^2). Participants are exploring methods of integration and the application of integration by parts in the context of differential equations.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss rearranging the equation to fit the standard form for applying integration techniques. There are attempts to apply integration by parts, and some participants express confusion over the correct form of the equation and the integration process. Questions arise regarding the validity of certain substitutions and the implications of typos in the original problem statement.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights and corrections to each other's attempts. Some guidance has been offered regarding the use of substitutions and the simplification of integrals, but there is no explicit consensus on the final solution yet.

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Participants note potential typos in the problem statement and discuss the implications of these errors on their approaches. There is also mention of the challenges posed by the integration process, particularly with respect to the limits of integration and the forms of the integrals being evaluated.

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Homework Statement


give the general solution of the following equation

x' = tx + 6te-t2



Homework Equations



for x'+p(t)x=q(t)

xeI=\intq(t)eIdt where I=\intp(t)dt

integration by parts
\intf'g = [fg] - \intfg'

The Attempt at a Solution



x'-tx=6te-2t

I=\int-t dt = -t2/2

xe-t2/2dt = \int6te-2te-t2/2dt

using integration by parts i get

\intf'g = [fg] - \intfg'
f'=e-t2/2
g=6t

\int6te-2te-t2/2dt = [\frac{6t}{-2-t}e-2t-t2/2] - \int\frac{6}{-2-t}e-2t-t2/2 dt

I've tried to integrate the second part of this integral i.e.
\int\frac{6}{-2-t}e-2t-t2/2 dt
using integration by parts but it seems to be a very difficult integral to solve. I also have my suspicions that this method may go on forever.

can anyone help? am i missing some kind of identity that i should know? any help would be appreciated.
 
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i just noticed a typo where i stated what value i used for f' it should read

f' = e-2-t2/2
 
You seem to have stated the question twice, but differently both times. first you have

x' = tx + 6texp(-t^2)
and then you write
x'-tx=6texp(-2t)

Which is the correct form?
 
Hi Physics Math

The second one was just me re-arranging the first one to get it into the form of
x'+p(t)x=q(t)
so that i could apply the relevant formula (under relevant equations).
 
You didn't just rearrange you changed the argument of the exponent as well. It would also be nice if you would put tags around the entire expression and not just the occasional symbol.
 
oh yes, i see what you mean

exp(-t^2) does not equal exp(-2t).

I'll give it another go.

thanks guys.
 
Using the correct argument will make the integration easier.
 
Okay I've had another go and got an answer and want to check whether its correct or not.

x'-tx=6te-t2

I = \int-t dt = -t2/2

xe-t2/2=\int6te-t2e-t2/2 dt

xe-t2/2 = \int6te-(3/2)t2dt

now using integration by parts where
f'=e-(3/2)t2 and
g=6t
and recalling that \inte-ax2 dx = \sqrt{pi/a}

i get

[\sqrt{2pi/3} 6t] - \int\sqrt{2pi/3}6 dt

= 2[\sqrt{2pi/3} 6t] + C

so

x=(2[\sqrt{2pi/3} 6t] + C) / (e-t2/2)

However, in all the other examples i have done the exp term has disappeared by the time i got to the final answer, so i just wanted to check that i have the correct answer here or not.
 
IRNB said:
and recalling that LaTeX Code: \\int e-ax2 dx = LaTeX Code: \\sqrt{pi/a}

This is only true if you're integrating from -infinity to +infinity, which you are not. If you want to use partial integration you will have to resort to the error function. That said you do not want to use partial integration, but instead use a substitution u=-t^2.
 
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Thank you cyosis for all your help. My integration skills are quite weak so please bare with me here.


f' = exp(-3t2/2)
using
u= t2
f' = exp((-3/2)u)

f = \intexp((-3/2)u) (dt/du) du
f = (-2/3)exp((-3/2)u) (1/2t)
f = (-1/3t)exp((-3/2)t2)
g = 6t
g'=6

now using integration by parts

\int6t exp((3/2)tt) dt = [(-6t/3t)exp((-3/2)t2)] + \int(6/3t)exp((-3/2)t2) dt

integrating the second term by parts

f' = exp(-3t2/2)
f = (-1/3t)exp((-3/2)t2)
g = 6/3t
g' = -6/3t2

\int(6/3t)exp((-3/2)t2) dt = [(6/9t2)exp((-3/2)t2)] - \int(-6/9t3)exp((-3/2)t2) dt

i seem to be going in circles...

it seems there is always going to be an integral that needs to be solved...

help
 
  • #11
Why are you using partial differentiation again? The original integral is already cast in a very easy form.

Example integral: Using the substitution u=t^2 du=2tdt.
<br /> \begin{align*}<br /> \int t e^{t^2}dt &amp; =\int \frac{1}{2}e^u du\\<br /> &amp; =\frac{1}{2}e^u\\<br /> &amp; =\frac{1}{2}e^{t^2}<br /> \end{align*}<br />
 
  • #12
i have no idea why i didnt see that. its been a really long day

so now i have

\int 6t exp((-3/2)t2) dt

u = t2
du = 2t dt

\int3 exp((-3/2)u) du = 3(-2/3) exp((-3/2)u) = -2 exp((-3/2)t2) + C

x exp(-t2/2) = -2 exp((-3/2)t2) + C

x = (1/exp(-t2/2))C - 2 exp(-t2/2)

does this look correct?
 
  • #13
there is a typo in my answer. it should read

x = (1/exp(-(t^2)/2))C - 2 exp(-t^2)

Thank you for your help Cyosis
 
  • #14
You're welcome, and your answer is correct.
 

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