Produce Copper Carbonate with Electrolysis

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The discussion revolves around the production of copper carbonate through electrolysis using an electrolyte made of water and sodium bicarbonate with copper electrodes. Participants explore the nature of the product formed, its purity, and the differences between copper carbonate and basic copper carbonate.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that electrolysis of the described electrolyte would produce copper carbonate on one of the electrodes.
  • Another participant argues that the product is likely to be basic copper carbonate, noting the challenges in preparing pure copper carbonate.
  • A participant claims to have successfully produced what they believe to be pure copper carbonate, but later acknowledges that it may have been basic copper carbonate.
  • Concerns are raised about the purity of the product, with one participant stating they did not check the purity but inferred it based on its reaction with HCl.
  • There is a clarification that copper carbonate and basic copper carbonate are distinct compounds, with basic carbonate being easier to prepare.
  • One participant emphasizes the importance of measuring the copper percentage to differentiate between the two compounds.
  • Another participant recounts their experience with the electrolysis process and the changes observed in the electrodes.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether the product is copper carbonate or basic copper carbonate, and there is no consensus on the purity of the product or the methods used to verify it.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention the challenges in preparing pure copper carbonate and the potential for confusion between copper carbonate and basic copper carbonate. There are also unresolved questions regarding the methods for checking purity and the specific reactions occurring during electrolysis.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to individuals exploring electrolysis, chemical synthesis, or the properties of copper compounds.

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If I made an electroyte with water and sodium bicarbonate and then electrolised it with copper electrodes would it produce copper carbonate on one of the electrodes?
 
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More like basic carbonate.
 
You sure?
 
Yes. Preparing pure carbon carbonate is quite tricky.
 
If someone is looking at this later,I tryed it and it worked great.Made rather pure copper carbonate until it ran out of electrolyte ( then copper hydroxide was made slowly).Turned to copper oxide nicely too
 
And what method have you used to check the purity of the product?
 
I didnt check how pure it is , but since it turned to copper oxide(mixed with hcl to test) I conclude its pretty pure.
 
max6333 said:
I didnt check how pure it is , but since it turned to copper oxide(mixed with hcl to test) I conclude its pretty pure.

Please elaborate, I don't understand what you did.

Besides, I have a feeling whatever you did would yield identical result if you were to use a basic copper carbonate.
 
Now I you wrote carbon carbonate and now I am confused.So I'm going to start over:This is how I got the whole thing I ask will it make copper cabonate, you say it will make just carbonate(even tho that doesn't really exist), i do it, i make copper carbonate , i heat it up it turns black(becomes copper oxide), i test it with HCl and find out that it is copper oxide.
 
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"Copper carbonate" and "basic copper carbonate" are two different chemical compounds. Basic carbonate is easy to prepare (and it is the green patina you see on the copper), copper carbonate is tricky to prepare (as in typical reactions in water you will produce the basic carbonate).

Both carbonate and basic carbonate decompose on heating producing copper oxide.

To make sure what you made you should precisely measure what is the copper percentage in your product, as that's the simplest to check difference between both compounds.
 
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Ok ,I undestand, Then i guess i did make the basic one, but it works good for me
 
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Borek said:
Preparing pure carbon carbonate is quite tricky.
I daresay it is.
 
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max6333 said:
If someone is looking at this later,I tryed it and it worked great.Made rather pure copper carbonate until it ran out of electrolyte ( then copper hydroxide was made slowly).Turned to copper oxide nicely too
One of the plates stayed clean, and bubbled off H2? How did the other one change?
 

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