Product of two continous functions

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The discussion centers around proving that the product of two continuous functions is continuous. Participants explore various approaches to the proof, including mathematical reasoning and hints for the proof structure.

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  • One participant asks for help with a proof regarding the continuity of the product of two continuous functions.
  • Another participant questions whether a product can be defined if one function is undefined at a certain point.
  • A participant provides a detailed explanation of the conditions under which the product of two functions is continuous, referencing limits and epsilon-delta definitions.
  • Hints are given regarding bounding functions and using limits to show continuity, with some participants emphasizing the need for the original poster to engage more actively in the proof process.
  • There is a suggestion that a participant may have confused continuity with differentiability.
  • One participant describes a conceptual understanding of continuity in terms of proximity of numbers and their products.
  • Another participant elaborates on a framework for proving continuity, including specific inequalities and conditions for epsilon.

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Participants express differing views on the approach to the proof and the clarity of the original question. There is no consensus on a single method or understanding of the problem, and multiple perspectives are presented.

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Some participants reference the need for specific assumptions about the functions involved, such as their boundedness near a limit point, which remains unresolved in the discussion.

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There is a proof in my book that asks us to prove that the product of two continuous functions is continuous. If anyone could help please reply back, thanks!
 
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If h(x) is undefined at some point c (and thus not continuous), will it ever have a product that is defined at that point?
 
It is not clear to me what SticksandStones response has to do with the question!

im2fastfouru, you know, of course, that the product, fg, will be continuous at a as long as the lim, as x goes to a, of f(x)g(x) is equal to f(a)g(a). Therefore, you must prove that, given any [itex]\epsilon> 0[/itex], there exist [itex]\delta> 0[/itex] such that if |x-a|< [itex]\delta[/itex], then |f(x)g(x)- f(a)g(a)|< [itex]\epsilon[/itex]. Using, of course, the fact that f and g are both continuous at a, that is, that given any [itex]\epsilon> 0[/itex], there exist [itex]\delta> 0[/itex] such that if |x-a|< [itex]\delta[/itex] such that |f(x)- f(a)|< [itex]\epsilon[/itex] and similarly for g.

I would recommend you look at |f(x)g(x)- f(x)g(a)+ f(x)g(a)- f(a)g(a)|.

After all, your book asked you to prove this, not us!
 
I thought he was asking something entirely different; I apologize.:redface:
 
hint
write
f(x+h)=f(x)+[f(x+h)-f(x)]
g(x+h)=g(x)+[g(x+h)-g(x)]
note
|f(x+h)-f(x)|<eps1
|g(x+h)-g(x)|<eps2
|f(x+h)-f(x)|,|g(x+h)-g(x)|<eps=max(eps1,eps2)
also recall
|a+b+c|<|a|+|b|+|c|
 
lurflurf said:
hint
write
f(x+h)=f(x)+[f(x+h)-f(x)]
g(x+h)=g(x)+[g(x+h)-g(x)]
note
|f(x+h)-f(x)|<eps1
|g(x+h)-g(x)|<eps2
|f(x+h)-f(x)|,|g(x+h)-g(x)|<eps=max(eps1,eps2)
also recall
|a+b+c|<|a|+|b|+|c|

Why on Earth would he do so? Halls hints are quite straightforward, he actually almost did all of what was needed to do.>< All he needs to do is show that If(x)I does not get too large as x-->a(or sth), in other words the op just needs to show that f(x) is bounded, which is easy to show since lim(x-->a)f(x)=f(a), so any function who has a limit is bounded at that limit point. all he needs to do is let e-eplylon= 1, and it is easy to show that f(x) is bounded. If(x)I=If(x)-f(a)+f(a)I<=If(x)-f(a)I+If(a)I< 1 +If(a)I

For the OP: do you see how to go now? Like Halls said, you should give some effort on your own next time, if you want to receive more help. People here won't just give us answers(including me since i often ask for help).
 
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lurflurf may has misread "continuous" as "differentiable".
 
the point (of continuity) is simply that if two numbers are respectively near two other numbers, then the products are also near each other.

to see this, let the numbers be a+h and b+k and compare the product of ab to that of (a+h)(b+k), when h and k are small.
 
sutupidmath said:
Why on Earth would he do so? Halls hints are quite straightforward.
To solve the problem and because it is fun. I agree, I provided a different (though very slightly) view.
HallsofIvy said:
lurflurf may has misread "continuous" as "differentiable".
theorem f is continuous if and only if
lim_h->0 (f(x+h)-f(x))=0
where (for picking nits) we accept as implicit f(x) exist and limit_h->0 f(x+h) exist
mathwonk said:
the point (of continuity) is simply that if two numbers are respectively near two other numbers, then the products are also near each other.

to see this, let the numbers be a+h and b+k and compare the product of ab to that of (a+h)(b+k), when h and k are small.
A useful framework

we desire to show that

if
|f(x+h)-f(x)|<eps1
|g(x+h)-g(x)|<eps2
then
|f(x+h)g(x+h)-f(x)g(x)|<eps
write
f(x+h)=f(x)+[f(x+h)-f(x)]
g(x+h)=g(x)+[g(x+h)-g(x)]
thus
|f(x+h)g(x+h)-f(x)g(x)|=|[f(x+h)-f(x)]g(x)+f(x)[g(x+h)-g(x)]+[f(x+h)-f(x)][g(x+h)-g(x)]|
<|[f(x+h)-f(x)||g(x)|+|f(x)||g(x+h)-g(x)|+|f(x+h)-f(x)||g(x+h)-g(x)]|
<eps1|g(x)|+|f(x)|eps2+eps1*eps2
letting
eps1=(eps/3)/|g(x)| if |g(x)|>0
eps2=(eps/3)/max(eps1,|f(x)|) if |f(x)|>0
we easily see the result is true
 
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