Projectile Motion and Integration

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The problem involves a projectile launched from a height above the Earth's surface, requiring the formulation of an integral expression for the distance traveled along its path until it impacts the ground. The context is projectile motion, with specific attention to the integration of motion equations and the distinction between distance and displacement.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the need for an integral expression and explore the conditions under which such an integral might arise. There is mention of using line integrals and expressing distance in terms of time or position. Some participants question the initial equations provided and suggest corrections regarding the components of velocity and acceleration.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights and corrections to the original equations. There is a mix of interpretations regarding the necessity of integration, with some suggesting that standard motion equations could suffice under certain assumptions. No consensus has been reached, but several productive lines of inquiry are being explored.

Contextual Notes

Participants note potential issues with the assumptions made in the problem, particularly regarding the constancy of gravitational acceleration and the implications of the height h. There is an acknowledgment of the distinction between distance traveled and displacement, which may influence the approach to the problem.

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Homework Statement


A projectile is launched from the origin a distance h above the Earth's surface with an initial velocity having speed v_0 and direction Theta_0 with respect to horizontal x-axis. Obtain an integral expression for the distance s the projectile travels along its path until it hits the ground at y = -h. Evaluate all derivatives in the integrand but do not evaluate the integral. Express any non-givens in terms of the givens of the stated problem.


Homework Equations


y-y_0 = V_0cos(theta)(t) - .5gt^2
x-x_0 = V_osin(theta)(t) - .5gt^2

The Attempt at a Solution



I do not know where to start. I have solved projectile motion problems before, but not like this. I'm thinking I might need to use a line integral. But other than that, I really don't know how to even begin. Help?
 
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Erm, either I'm missing something, or there's no integral involved.
The only way I could see an integral popping is by assuming that h is very big, which would mean that "g" as we know it isn't constant.
Otherwise you could solve it with two simple motion equations. Notice that there are two mistakes in the equations you've written.
1. You got the components of the velocity messed up - it should be sin for y, and cos for x. Draw it and make sure you know why.
2. There is no acceleration on the x-axis - only on the y axis. Therefore the second equation is wrong and doesn't fit. Which does?

So, as I've said, solving it "normally" wouldn't give rise to any integrals (but to an ugly quadratic equation), but assuming h is big enough would force you to use Newton's second law, and that's another story... ! :-)
 
auk411 said:

A projectile is launched from the origin a distance h above the Earth's surface with an initial velocity having speed v_0 and direction Theta_0 with respect to horizontal x-axis. Obtain an integral expression for the distance s the projectile travels along its path until it hits the ground at y = -h. Evaluate all derivatives in the integrand but do not evaluate the integral.


The problem asks the distance traveled along the path. It is not the same as the displacement.

The distance traveled is the length of arc between the initial and final positions. It is a line integral, S=∫ds. You can express ds, the line element, with the time or with x. What have you learned about line integrals?

ehild
 
Sorry - have missed that. Good thing I've volunteered the option: "Either I'm missing something"... :-)
 

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