Projectile Motion, Find Gravity

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The problem involves determining the gravitational acceleration on a planet based on the projectile motion of a ball kicked at a specific speed and angle. The original poster presents equations related to the motion and height of the projectile.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to derive the gravitational acceleration using kinematic equations, expressing uncertainty about the completeness of their approach. Some participants question the setup of the equations and suggest corrections, while others explore simplifications of the derived expressions.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the original poster's reasoning, providing feedback on the equations used and suggesting adjustments. There is a recognition of potential errors in the original setup, and some participants offer insights into simplifying the final expression for gravitational acceleration.

Contextual Notes

There is an indication that the problem may lack certain information, as the original poster initially felt there was insufficient data to solve it. The discussion also touches on the implications of the final results regarding the possible planets involved.

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Homework Statement


You kick a ball with a speed of 2 m/s, at a 45 degree inclination to the horizontal. You measure h to be 4⁄15 m. What planet are you on?
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Homework Equations

The Attempt at a Solution


Upon first glance, I thought that this problem did not provide enough information. However, my instructor insisted that it does, so I re-examined. My next idea was to take the following two equations:
[itex]0 = v_{0}Sin\Theta -gt[/itex]
[itex]\frac{4}{15} = v_{0}Sin\Theta - \frac{1}{2}gt^{2}[/itex]
From the first equation, I found:
[itex]t = \frac{v_{0}sin\Theta }{g}[/itex]
Then I substituted this into the second equation. After some manipulation, I ended up with:
[itex]\frac{4}{15} = v_{0}sin\Theta -\frac{1}{2}\frac{v_{0}^{2}sin^{2}\Theta }{g}[/itex]
Which simplifies to:
[itex]v_{0}^{2}sin^{2}\Theta = (v_{0}sin\Theta - \frac{4}{15})2g[/itex]
Finally:
[itex]g = \frac{v_{0}^{2}sin^{2}\Theta }{2(v_{0}sin\Theta - \frac{4}{15})}[/itex]
At this point I would simply substitute my known values. However, I admit that I am not entirely confident in this answer so I wanted to see if there is perhaps and easier approach, or if my approach is even close at all. Thank you.
 
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fgc_grapplerGOD said:

Homework Statement


You kick a ball with a speed of 2 m/s, at a 45 degree inclination to the horizontal. You measure h to be 4⁄15 m. What planet are you on?
[ IMG]http://i.imgur.com/D2SIr4d.jpg[/PLAIN]

Homework Equations

The Attempt at a Solution


Upon first glance, I thought that this problem did not provide enough information. However, my instructor insisted that it does, so I re-examined. My next idea was to take the following two equations:
[itex]0 = v_{0}Sin\Theta -gt[/itex]
[itex]\frac{4}{15} = v_{0}Sin\Theta - \frac{1}{2}gt^{2}[/itex]
From the first equation, I found:
[itex]t = \frac{v_{0}sin\Theta }{g}[/itex]
Then I substituted this into the second equation. After some manipulation, I ended up with:
[itex]\frac{4}{15} = v_{0}sin\Theta -\frac{1}{2}\frac{v_{0}^{2}sin^{2}\Theta }{g}[/itex]
Which simplifies to:
[itex]v_{0}^{2}sin^{2}\Theta = (v_{0}sin\Theta - \frac{4}{15})2g[/itex]
Finally:
[itex]g = \frac{v_{0}^{2}sin^{2}\Theta }{2(v_{0}sin\Theta - \frac{4}{15})}[/itex]
At this point I would simply substitute my known values. However, I admit that I am not entirely confident in this answer so I wanted to see if there is perhaps and easier approach, or if my approach is even close at all. Thank you.
Hello fgc_grapplerGOD. Welcome to PF.

Your second equation is missing a ##\ t \ .##

##\displaystyle \ \Delta s=v_0\,t+(1/2)a\,t^2\ ##
 
SammyS said:
Hello fgc_grapplerGOD. Welcome to PF.

Your second equation is missing a ##\ t \ .##

##\displaystyle \ \Delta s=v_0\,t+(1/2)a\,t^2\ ##
Ah thank you very much, rookie mistake there :P.
So after making the necessary adjustments I have:
[itex]\frac{4}{15} = (v_{0}sin\Theta )(\frac{v_{0}sin\Theta }{g})-\frac{1}{2g}(\frac{v_{0}sin\Theta }{g})^{2}[/itex]
Which simplifies to:
[itex]\frac{4}{15} = \frac{v_{0}^{2}sin^{2}\Theta }{g} -\frac{1}{2}\frac{v_{0}^{2}sin^{2}\Theta }{g}[/itex]
Finally, I found:
[itex]g = \frac{15}{4}(v_{0}^{2}sin^{2}\Theta -\frac{1}{2}v_{0}^{2}sin^{2}\Theta )[/itex]
At which point I would just substitute my known values. This approach is sufficient?
 
fgc_grapplerGOD said:
Ah thank you very much, rookie mistake there :P.
So after making the necessary adjustments I have:
[itex]\frac{4}{15} = (v_{0}sin\Theta )(\frac{v_{0}sin\Theta }{g})-\frac{1}{2g}(\frac{v_{0}sin\Theta }{g})^{2}[/itex]
...

What is g doing in the denominator with the 2 from the 1/2 ?

... but it looks like the final result you gave is fine.
 
SammyS said:
What is g doing in the denominator with the 2 from the 1/2 ?

... but it looks like the final result you gave is fine.
That was just an error I made in converting from my paper solution into Latex. Thank you for your help!
 
fgc_grapplerGOD said:
That was just an error I made in converting from my paper solution into Latex. Thank you for your help!
Of course you can simplify that result.
 
SammyS said:
Of course you can simplify that result.
Yes I actually just did that. I simplified to:
[itex]g = \frac{v_{0}^{2}sin^{2}\theta}{2h}[/itex]
Which is actually a much cleaner result that I had anticipated. Of course my final answer was:
[itex]\frac{15}{4} \frac{m}{s^{2}}[/itex]
After doing some research we can conclude the projectile was on either Mars or Mercury.
 

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