Projectile Motion: Finding Rifle Angles for a 91.4m Target

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The discussion revolves around determining the angles for a rifle aimed at a target 91.4 meters away, given a muzzle speed of 427 m/s. Participants explore the physics of projectile motion, specifically focusing on the relationships between angle, velocity, and displacement in a two-dimensional context.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the equations for vertical and horizontal displacement, questioning how to relate time and angle to the target distance. There are attempts to express the equations in terms of velocity components and time, with some participants seeking clarification on the role of time in the calculations.

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The conversation is active, with various participants offering insights into the equations needed to solve for the angles. Some guidance is provided on manipulating the equations and understanding the relationships between the variables involved. Multiple interpretations of the problem are being explored, particularly regarding the time variable and its impact on the calculations.

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Participants note the complexity of the problem, including the presence of two possible angles and the implications of one angle being impractical for target shooting. There is also mention of the need to simplify equations and the use of trigonometric identities in the discussion.

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Homework Statement


A rifle has been sighted in for a 91.4m target. If the muzzle speed of the bullet is v0=427 m/s, what are the two possible angles theta1 and theta2 betweent the rifle barrel and the horizontal such that the bullet will hit the target? One of the angles is so large that it is never used in target shooting.


Homework Equations


I know you have to use trig identities, but I'm not sure how to get to that point.
Maybe get the time it takes in one dimension to go half way?


The Attempt at a Solution

 
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Write out the equations for vertical displacement and horizontal displacement.
 
x-x0=delta x, y-y0=delta y, delta x=91.4m, delta y=0
 
mslena79 said:
x-x0=delta x, y-y0=delta y, delta x=91.4m, delta y=0

yes, write these using velocity, time, theta...
 
is the v0 the same throughout the problem, or is it different for v0x, and voy?
 
91.4m=vx*cos(theta)t, 0m=vy*sin(theta)t + 1/2(-9.80 m/s^2)t^2
 
mslena79 said:
91.4m=vx*cos(theta)t, 0m=vy*sin(theta)t + 1/2(-9.80 m/s^2)t^2

vy = v0sin(theta), and vx = v0cos(theta)

The equations should be:

91.4m=v0*cos(theta)t,
0m=v0*sin(theta)t + 1/2(-9.80 m/s^2)t^2

using these two equations try to solve for theta
 
what do I do with the t variable? Is it the time is takes to go 91.4m at 427m/s? .214s.
 
mslena79 said:
what do I do with the t variable? Is it the time is takes to go 91.4m at 427m/s? .214s.

Solve for t in one equation... substitute into the other equation... then solve that equation for theta.

Yes, it is the time it takes to reach 91.4m... but how did you get 0.214s ?
 
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from v0 in a one dimensional equation.
 
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mslena79 said:
from v0 in a one dimensional equation.

the time here will be different because of the angle...

use t = \frac{91.4}{v0*cos(theta)}

and substitute into the other equation...
 
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0m=(427m/s)*sin(theta)*((91.4m)/((427m/s)*cos(theta))+(1/2)*(-9.80m/s^2)*((91.4m)/((427m/s)*cos(theta))^2
(0.225/cos^2(theta))=(91.4*sin(theta))/cos(theta)
 
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mslena79 said:
0m=(427m/s)*sin(theta)*((91.4m)/((427m/s)*cos(theta))+(1/2)*(-9.80m/s^2)*((91.4m)/((427m/s)*cos(theta))^2
(0.225/cos^2(theta))=(91.4*sin(theta))/cos(theta)

You can cancel cos(theta) from both sides... then use a trig. identity...

but one thing I should have mentioned:

0m=v0*sin(theta)t + 1/2(-9.80 m/s^2)t^2

can be simplified to

0m=v0*sin(theta) + 1/2(-9.80 m/s^2)t

by dividing both sides by t... since we aren't dealing with the t = 0 case.

So solving:

91.4m=v0*cos(theta)t
0m=v0*sin(theta) + 1/2(-9.80 m/s^2)t

will also work...
 
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sin(2theta)=.00492, can't remember how to get theta from here.
 
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mslena79 said:
sin(2theta)=.00492, can't remember how to get theta from here.

take the inverse sin of both sides... that will give 2theta = ... use your calculator to get the inverse sin of 0.00492. the calculator will only give one value... but there are two angles that give the same sin.

Using 2theta = x (where x comes from the inverse sin), you solve and get theta = x/2


You did everything correctly. But I just wanted to also show the formula when we don't plug in the numbers right away...

R = v0*cos(theta)t (where R is the range)
0 = v0sin(theta) - (1/2)gt

0 = v0sin(thet) - (1/2)g[R/(v0cos(theta))]

0 = 2v0^2sin(theta)cos(theta) - gR

gR = v0^2 sin(2theta)

sin(2\theta) = \frac{gR}{{v_0}^2}

plugging in R and v0 here I get 0.004913
 
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