Projectile motion problem involving finding launch angle

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The discussion revolves around a projectile motion problem where the original poster seeks to determine the launch angle required for a projectile to reach a specific horizontal and vertical distance. The problem involves initial velocity, trigonometric identities, and equations of motion.

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  • The original poster attempts to apply kinematic equations and trigonometric identities to derive the launch angle. Some participants question the steps taken in the calculations, particularly regarding the transition between equations. Others suggest alternative methods, including using velocity components directly.

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Participants have provided feedback on the original poster's calculations, with some clarifying misunderstandings related to trigonometric identities. An alternative approach has been suggested, indicating a productive exploration of different methods to solve the problem.

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There are indications of potential confusion regarding trigonometric identities and the setup of the equations, which may affect the interpretation of the problem. The original poster expresses uncertainty about their calculations and seeks clarification.

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1. OK so if you imagine a projectile is fired with an inital velocity (u) of 400 m/s at an angle theta. What two values of theta will cause the projectile to hit a point b that is 5 km horizontally away from the point of launch and 1.5 km vertically?

u (magnitude)= 400 m/s
deltaH = 1500 m (1.5 km)
deltaS = 5000 m (5 km)

2. constant acceleration equations, trigonometric identities.

3. What i tried to do was:

ux=400cos(theta)
uy=400sin(theta)

using s=ut+1/2at2

1500 = 400t.Sin(theta)-4.905t2 (1)

5000 = 400t.cos(theta)

t = 12.5/cos(theta) (2)

substituting (2) into (1) gives,

1500 = 5000Sin(theta)/Cos(theta) - 766.4/Cos2(theta)

multiplying by Cos2(theta) gives

1500cos2(theta) = 5000sin(theta)cos(theta) - 766.4

= 2500Sin(2theta) - 766.4
= 5000Cos2(theta) - 2500 - 766.4

3500cos2(theta) = 3276

cos2(theta) = 0.9361
cos(theta) = 0.9675
theta = 14.6°

which is the wrong answer. Obviously I'm missing something here, but i don't know what. Hence why I'm posing the question on here. Thanks EH.
 
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EddieHimself said:
(A)...[/color] = 2500Sin(2theta) - 766.4
(B)...[/color] = 5000Cos2(theta) - 2500 - 766.4

How'd you get from (A) to (B)?
 
gneill said:
How'd you get from (A) to (B)?

Thanks for pointing that out, yes it was actually Cos2a and not Sin2a I just read it wrong, probably a bit tired lol. Ok thanks for your help.
 
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EddieHimself said:
Trigonometric identity; Sin(2a) = 2Cos2(a) - 1

Suppose a = 0. Then sin(2a) = 0, while 2cos2(a) - 1 = 1.

so it's not a valid identity.
 
Ok I've sorted this one now;

sodding the cos2(theta) division, i found that i could instead use the substitution sec2(a) = 1 + tan2(a)

and then what resulted was

1500 = 5000tan(theta) -766.4tan2(theta) - 766.4

which rearranged to a simple quadratic, that being;

766.4tan2(theta) - 5000tan(theta) + 2276 = 0

using the equation;

tan(theta) = 0.49 or 6.034

that gives the 2 angles of theta being 26.1° and 80.6° which matches up with the answers in the book so that's fine.
 
Yup. That'll do it! :smile:

Another approach would be to abandon the trig functions altogether and use vx and vy as the velocity components, with the additional equation v2 = vx2 + vy2. Solve the three equations for either vx or vy (since the other can be had by Pythagoras, and the angle is trivial given vx and vy). The resulting equation in one variable (say vx) looks like a quartic, but since there's only vx4 and vx2 in it, it's really a quadratic at heart.
 

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