Projectile Motion: Solving for Time and Initial Velocity

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The discussion revolves around a projectile motion problem involving a cannonball fired at an angle of 50 degrees, landing 67 meters away. Participants are exploring how to determine the time the cannonball was in the air and its initial velocity, with air resistance considered negligible.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the use of kinematic equations and the range equation to find the initial velocity and time of flight. There are attempts to derive relevant equations and clarify the relationships between the components of velocity in both the x and y directions.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided guidance on using the range equation and the relationships between velocity components. There is an ongoing exchange of ideas, with requests for further derivation of equations and clarification of concepts.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the physics teacher had not provided certain equations, leading to a need for clarification and derivation within the discussion.

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Homework Statement


A cannonball is fired from the ground at an angle of 50 degrees. The ball lands 67 meters from where it was fired. Air resistance is negligible.

How long was the ball in the air?

With what velocity was the cannonball fired?

Homework Equations


Xf=.5at2+Vot+Xo
Vf=at+Vo

The Attempt at a Solution

 
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Unsettledchim said:

Homework Statement


A cannonball is fired from the ground at an angle of 50 degrees. The ball lands 67 meters from where it was fired. Air resistance is negligible.

How long was the ball in the air?

With what velocity was the cannonball fired?

Homework Equations


Xf=.5at2+Vot+Xo
Vf=at+Vo

The Attempt at a Solution


You will need the range equation:

R = v^2 * sin(2*theta) / g. Knowing theta and R (the range), solve for v.

The time in the air is given by t = 2*v*sin(theta)/g. You know v and theta, so solve for t. If you need me to derive these equations, let me know.
 
Thank you and yes that would be great if you could drive the equation
 
Unsettledchim said:
Thank you and yes that would be great if you could drive the equation

The total velocity can be written as components of the velocity in the x direction and in the y direction:

V(total) = sqrt(V(x)^2 + V(y)^2)

where V(x) = V(0)cos(theta) and V(y) = V(0)sin(theta)

In the x direction, the object travels the following distance (let's call it D(x), which is actually the range R in my last post):

D(x) = V(x)*t = V(0)cos(theta)*t

Our goal is now to find an expression for t, the time, and we can do that by examining the motion in the y direction:

D(y) = V(y)*t - (1/2)*g*t^2 = V(0)sin(theta)*t - (1/2)*g*t^2

Now take the derivative with respect to time and set it equal to zero. This will tell you the time at which the object's velocity in the y direction is zero. Practically, you're finding out when the object reaches the top of the parabolic curve (the greatest height in its motion).

D'(y) = V(0)sin(theta) - g*t = 0

Solve for t:

t = V(0)sin(theta) / g.

The time to complete the entire distance is obviously twice this:

t = 2V(0)sin(theta)/g.

Plug this t back into the D(x) equation to get:

D(x) = 2*V(0)^2*sin(theta)*cos(theta)/g

You can leave the equation in this form if you want, but making the trig substitution sin(2*theta) = 2sin(theta)cos(theta) makes it look nicer:

D(x) = V(0)^2sin(2*theta)/g
 
Thank you, that helped a ton, my physics teacher had not given us that equation.
 

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