Proof in heisenbergs uncertainty relation involving bra-ket

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The discussion revolves around a mathematical proof related to Heisenberg's uncertainty relation, specifically focusing on the manipulation of equations involving operators and wavefunctions in quantum mechanics. Participants seek clarification on the steps involved in deriving an expression for the variance of an operator.

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  • Mathematical reasoning

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Participants generally agree on the steps needed to manipulate the equations, but there is no consensus on the final presentation or formatting of the expressions. The discussion remains focused on clarifying the mathematical process rather than reaching a definitive conclusion.

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Some participants express uncertainty about the clarity of the mathematical steps involved, and there is a mention of the need to treat the expectation value as a number times the identity operator, which may require further elaboration.

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lavster said:
=<\psi|(A-<A>)^2|\psi>
Just expand this expression, realizing that <A> is just a number. (&lt;A&gt; = &lt;\psi|A|\psi&gt;)
 
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thanks for quick reply! however I am still not getting it. could you write it out expliitly please?
 
lavster said:
thanks for quick reply! however I am still not getting it. could you write it out expliitly please?
&lt;\psi|(A-&lt;A&gt;)^2|\psi&gt; = &lt;\psi|A^2 -2A&lt;A&gt; + &lt;A&gt;^2 |\psi&gt;

I'll let you do the rest.
 
Just a little LaTeX tip: Use \langle and \rangle instead of < and >. (Doc AI's answer is good, so I have nothing to add, except the complete solution, but you should try it yourself first. Note: "just a number" really means "just a number times the identity operator". OK, I guess I did have something to add :smile:).
 
I thought those bras and kets looked a bit off. :rolleyes: (Thanks, Fredrik!)
 
Doc Al said:
I thought those bras and kets looked a bit off. :rolleyes: (Thanks, Fredrik!)

Must... not... say... I... prefer... bras... off... must... not say... to staff...ARGGGH.. Too late. :smile: Be gentle!
 

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