Proof of i-th Root of i: Analytic Connection?

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The discussion revolves around the proof of the i-th root of i, specifically examining the algebraic approach used to derive it and questioning its validity and potential connections to analytic methods, such as power series or Laurent series. Participants explore the implications of this proof in the context of mathematics and its applications in fields like quantum mechanics.

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  • Some participants present an algebraic proof of the i-th root of i, expressing it as $$i^{1/i} = e^{\frac{\pi}{2}}$$ and questioning its general applicability.
  • Others argue that the proof is straightforward and rely on properties of exponents and polar coordinates in the complex plane.
  • A participant mentions the non-uniqueness of the result, suggesting that $$i^{1/i}$$ could also equal $$e^{5 \pi / 2}$$ depending on the integer k used in the exponent.
  • There is a discussion about the appropriateness of using this algebraic manipulation in quantum mechanics equations, with some asserting that it is acceptable as it is mathematics.
  • One participant expresses uncertainty about the geometric interpretation of complex powers but acknowledges the effectiveness of the algebraic approach for real powers.
  • Another participant humorously notes that $$i^i \approx 0.2$$, adding a light-hearted element to the discussion.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the validity of the algebraic proof or its implications. There are competing views on whether the proof is merely ad hoc or if it has a solid foundation in mathematical principles.

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Some participants highlight the limitations of the algebraic proof, suggesting it may lack a broader analytical connection. The discussion also reflects varying levels of comfort with the geometric interpretation of complex numbers and their powers.

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I saw a proof in which they came up with the ith root of i through the typical algebra.
$$
i^{1/i} = i^{-i} = e^{i\frac{\pi}{2} \cdot -i} = e^{\frac{\pi}{2}} ~.
$$
But it seems the proof is entirely algebraic, so we have no grounds for thinking it works anywhere. The only exception might be an analytic connection with power series, like a Laurent series. Is there such a connection, or is this as ad hoc as it seems?
 
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Gear300 said:
TL;DR Summary: imaginary algebra

I saw a proof in which they came up with the ith root of i through the typical algebra.
$$
i^{1/i} = i^{-i} = e^{i\frac{\pi}{2} \cdot -i} = e^{\frac{\pi}{2}} ~.
$$
But it seems the proof is entirely algebraic, so we have no grounds for thinking it works anywhere. The only exception might be an analytic connection with power series, like a Laurent series. Is there such a connection, or is this as ad hoc as it seems?
It's pretty straightforward.
##i = e^{i\pi/2} \Rightarrow i^{-i} = (e^{i\pi/2})^{-i} = e^{(i\pi/2) \cdot (-i)} = e^{\pi/2}##
 
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Mark44 said:
It's pretty straightforward.
##i = e^{i\pi/2} \Rightarrow i^{-i} = (e^{i\pi/2})^{-i} = e^{(i\pi/2) \cdot (-i)} = e^{\pi/2}##
So it's fine doing this sort of thing in a quantum mechanics equation?
 
Gear300 said:
TL;DR Summary: imaginary algebra

I saw a proof in which they came up with the ith root of i through the typical algebra.
$$
i^{1/i} = i^{-i} = e^{i\frac{\pi}{2} \cdot -i} = e^{\frac{\pi}{2}} ~.
$$
But it seems the proof is entirely algebraic, so we have no grounds for thinking it works anywhere. The only exception might be an analytic connection with power series, like a Laurent series. Is there such a connection, or is this as ad hoc as it seems?
Of course, this isn't unique.
##i^{1/i} = \left ( e^{i \pi / 2} \right )^{1/i} = \left ( e^{i \pi / 2 + 2 k \pi i } \right )^{1/i} = e^{\pi /2 + 2 k \pi}##
where k is any integer, so

##i^{1/i} = e^{5 \pi / 2}##
just as well.

-Dan
 
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Gear300 said:
So it's fine doing this sort of thing in a quantum mechanics equation?
Why not? This is mathematics.
 
topsquark said:
Of course, this isn't unique.
##i^{1/i} = \left ( e^{i \pi / 2} \right )^{1/i} = \left ( e^{i \pi / 2 + 2 k \pi i } \right )^{1/i} = e^{\pi /2 + 2 k \pi}##
where k is any integer, so

##i^{1/i} = e^{5 \pi / 2}##
just as well.

-Dan

Mark44 said:
Why not? This is mathematics.
True enough. I guess it doesn't work unless it works.
 
Far from "ad hoc"; these are basic properties of exponents and polar coordinates are the best way to deal with powers in the complex plane.
I admit that I have no geometric image of numbers to complex powers, but I have to accept it because so much of it works out perfectly for real powers.
 
Gear300 said:
True enough. I guess it doesn't work unless it works.
I know that ##i ^i \approx 0.2##, which is quite funny.
 
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