Proof of Limit of a Recursive Sequence

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The discussion revolves around the proof of the limit of a recursive sequence, specifically examining the relationship between the convergence of a sequence and its subsequent terms. Participants explore informal proofs and reasoning related to recursive formulas and subsequences.

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  • One participant asserts that if \( x_n \to \infty \), then \( x_{n+1} \to \infty \) and requests a proof for this statement.
  • Another participant suggests that removing the first element from the limit of the second sequence results in the same limit, implying a relationship between the two sequences.
  • A third participant proposes that as \( X_n \) approaches infinity, it surpasses \( X_{n+1} \), although this claim is met with some confusion regarding its meaning.
  • A participant provides a more formal argument, stating that if a sequence converges to a limit \( A \), then the sequence formed by shifting the indices (i.e., \( b_n = a_{n+1} \)) also converges to \( A \).
  • Another participant introduces the concept of subsequences, explaining that any subsequence of a convergent sequence shares the same limit and convergence properties, and questions how to select an appropriate subsequence.

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The discussion contains multiple viewpoints and approaches to understanding the convergence of recursive sequences and subsequences, with no clear consensus reached among participants.

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Some participants express uncertainty about the implications of their statements, and there are varying levels of formality in the proofs and reasoning provided. The discussion does not resolve the mathematical intricacies involved in the convergence of recursive sequences.

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So I came across the statement:

Since [itex]x_n -> \inf[/itex]
then [itex]x_n_+_1 -> \inf[/itex]

This is very basic, But I'm already into recursive formulas for infinite series, so I should know why this is true. Does anyone have a small proof. An informal one will do.
 
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This is about as informal as they get, but ... if you delete from the second limit your first element, you shift everything down by one and you get the same limit again.
 
I thought of something.
As X_n goes to infinity, it passes X_(n+1)
 
I'm not sure what that means! For any n, n< n+1. But I think you mean that, for fixed N, eventually, n> N+1.

A little more precisely, if [itex]\{a_n\}[/itex] converges to A, then, for any [itex]\epsilon> 0[/itex], there exist N such that if n> N, [itex]|a_n- A|< \epsilon[/itex].

Now, if [itex]b_n= a_{n+1}[/itex], for any [itex]\epsilon> 0[/itex], take N'= N-1 where N is the number, above, for that same [itex]\epsilon[/itex].

Then if n> N' , n+1> N'+1= N so [itex]|b_n- A|= |a_{n+1}- A|< \epsilon[/itex], showing that [itex]\{b_n\}[/itex] also converges to A.

(Roughly speaking, [itex]\{a_n\}[/itex] and [itex]\{a_{n+1}\}[/itex] are really the same sequence, just with the "numbering" altered slighly. Of course, they have the same limit.)
 
You need to know what subsequences are:
You choose a strictly monotonically increasing sequences of natural numbers:

[tex] n_{k}, n_{k} \in \mathbb{N}, n_{k + 1} > n_{k}, \; k = 0, 1, \ldots[/tex]

Then, a subsequence of the sequence [itex]\{x_{n}\}[/itex] is defined as:
[tex] \tilde{x}_{k} \equiv x_{n_{k}}[/tex]

The (informal) theorem you will need to remember is:

Any subsequence has the same convergence properties and the same limit if convergent as its sequence.


How would you choose your subsequence?
 

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