Proof regarding composition of velocities

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This discussion revolves around a problem from D'Inverno's "Introducing Einstein's Relativity" concerning the composition of velocities in a relativistic context. The original poster seeks to prove that if the velocities of B with respect to A and C with respect to B are both less than 1, then the velocity of C with respect to A must also be less than 1, using a specific equation.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants explore the mathematical expression vAC=(vAB+vBC)/(1+vABvBC) and discuss how to demonstrate that this expression is less than 1 under the given conditions. Some participants suggest rewriting the variables to simplify the proof, while others express confusion about the equivalence of different forms of the expression.

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There is an ongoing exploration of the mathematical relationships involved, with some participants providing insights into the structure of the expression and its properties. The discussion includes attempts to clarify the reasoning behind the transformations and the implications of the conditions set by the problem.

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Participants are working within the constraints of relativistic units and are focused on a specific proof approach, while also acknowledging that alternative methods exist. There is a noted emphasis on understanding the mathematical proof rather than the conceptual aspects of relativity.

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Homework Statement



This is a problem from D'Inverno's "Introducing Einstein's Relativity".

If vAB is the velocity of B with respect to A, vBC is the velocity of C with respect to B, and vAC is the velocity of C with respect to A (all velocities are in relativistic units, that is, c=1), prove that if 0<vAB<1 and 0<vBC<1, then vAC<1.


Homework Equations



The problem should be resolvable with just the equation

vAC=(vAB+vBC)/(1+vABvBC).



The Attempt at a Solution



I understand that there are other ways to prove this, but I want to know this particular approach. I suspect it boils down to showing that the numerator is less than the denominator. I have tried reducing the denominator and/or increasing the numerator to find a greater expression that is less than one, but so far nothing has worked. I know this is really just a mathematical proof and has little to do with conceptual relativity, but I'd still like the solution.
 
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You want to show (a+b)/(1+ab)<1 if 0<a<1 and 0<b<1, right? Write it as a*(1-b)+1*b<1. a*(1-b)+1*b is a linear function of b as b goes from 0 to 1, right also? It's a weighted average of a and 1. So it must hit it's max and min at b=0 or b=1.
 
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Dick said:
You want to show (a+b)/(1+ab)<1 if 0<a<1 and 0<b<1, right? Write it as a*(1-b)+1*b<1. a*(1-b)+1*b is a linear function of b as b goes from 0 to 1, right also? It's a weighted average of a and 1. So it must hit it's max and min at b=0 or b=1.

I'm sorry, I don't really understand how those two (the original expression and the linear function) are equivalent. Could you explain a little more deeply?
 
Since a<1, b<1, we can rewrite them as: a=1-x, b=1-y, where x>0, y>0. This will make it a lot easier :smile:
 
Ok, that works. Thanks a lot!
 
drnickriviera said:
I'm sorry, I don't really understand how those two (the original expression and the linear function) are equivalent. Could you explain a little more deeply?

(a+b)/(1+ab)<1. Multiply both sides by (1+ab). (a+b)<1+ab. Subtract ab from both sides. a+b-ab<1. Collect terms and factor. (a-ab)+b<1, a*(1-b)+1*b<1.
 

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