Proof that closure of a space equals another space.

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The discussion revolves around proving that the closure of the space l0 equals c0 within the context of the space ℓ∞. The original poster defines the sets c0 and l0 and attempts to establish the relationship between their closures using the limit-definition of closure and the supremum norm.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to demonstrate that c0 is contained in the closure of l0 and seeks assistance in proving the reverse inclusion. They express uncertainty about showing that elements in the closure of l0 have a vanishing limit.
  • Some participants suggest proving that c0 is closed, which could imply the desired result.
  • Another participant raises a question about the conditions under which the closure of a subset is contained within the closure of a larger set, relating it to a similar problem involving the spaces l0 and l2.
  • Further discussion includes questioning the triviality of proving that the closure of l2 equals l2 itself.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring various approaches and questioning assumptions. Some guidance has been offered regarding the properties of closures in metric spaces, but no consensus has been reached on the proofs or methods to be employed.

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Participants are working under the constraints of homework rules, which may limit the information they can share or the methods they can use. The original poster expresses difficulty with certain aspects of the problem, particularly regarding the supremum norm.

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Homework Statement



Define:

- c0 = {(xn)n \in \ell\infty : limn → \infty xn = 0}

- l0 = {(xn)n \in \ell\infty : \exists N \in the natural numbers, (xn)n = 0, n \geq N}Problem: Prove that \overline{\ell}0= c0 in \ell\infty

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The Attempt at a Solution



I want to find the solution using the limit-definition of closure.

Considering an element

x = (xn) \in c0

and a sequence

yj = (xjn) \in \ell0,

such that xnj = xn for n < j, xnj = 0, otherwise.

Using the metric induced by the supremum norm; || xn - xnj || \rightarrow 0 as j tends to infinity. We can du this for all elements in c0, and hence c0 \subseteq \overline{\ell}0.

My problem is to show the other direction, that is

\overline{\ell}0 \subseteq c0

I need to show that elements in \overline{\ell}0 has a vanishing limit. I don't know how to do this using the supremum norm. In fact, it seems impossible to me..

Can I get any help?
 
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Clearly, we know that \ell_0\subseteq c_0. Try to prove now that c_0 is closed. This would imply what you try to prove.
 
Hmmm.. When is it true that A \subseteq B \Rightarrow \bar{A} \subseteq \bar{B} ?


I ask because I've been working on a similar problem: Prove that \bar{\ell}0 = \ell2 in \ell2.

With a similar approach of the attempt above I got \bar{\ell}0 \supseteq \ell2.

Since \ell0 \subseteq \ell2 (for obvious reasons),
\bar{\ell}0 \subseteq\ell2 iff \ell2 = \bar{\ell}2 (correct me if I'm wrong here).

In that case, \bar{\ell}0 = \ell2 in \ell2.


(I guess it might is trivial that \ell2 = \bar{\ell}2 in \ell2, but Is there an easy way to prove this?)

Any comments?

:smile:
 
Paalfaal said:
Hmmm.. When is it true that A \subseteq B \Rightarrow \bar{A} \subseteq \bar{B} ?

This is always true. Try to prove it.

(I guess it might is trivial that \ell2 = \bar{\ell}2 in \ell2, but Is there an easy way to prove this?)

If X is a metric space, then \overline{X}=X (closure in X). Try to prove this.
 
micromass said:
Try to prove it.

I certiantly will!


Thank you for your help! Much appreciated :smile:
 

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