Is the Intersection of Nested Sets in a Complete Metric Space Nonempty?

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The discussion revolves around a problem in the context of complete metric spaces, specifically examining the intersection of nested sets with diminishing diameters. Participants are tasked with showing that the intersection of these sets is nonempty.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the use of completeness in metric spaces and the implications of sequences being Cauchy. There is an exploration of the relationship between closed sets and convergence, with questions about how to demonstrate that the limit point belongs to all sets in the sequence.

Discussion Status

Some participants are attempting to clarify the concept of closed sets and their relevance to the problem. There is a recognition of the importance of the assumption that the sets are closed, and some participants are questioning the implications of this assumption on the proof. Multiple interpretations of the definitions and properties of closed sets are being explored.

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There is a noted lack of explicit mention of the closed nature of the sets in the original problem statement, which has led to some confusion among participants. The discussion also touches on the definitions of closed and open sets, with varying degrees of understanding among participants.

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Homework Statement


Let (M,d) be a complete metric space and define a sequence of non empty sets F1\supseteqF2\supseteqF3\supseteq such that diam(Fn)->0, where diam(Fn)=sup(d(x,y),x,y\inFn). Show that there \bigcapn=1Fn is nonempty (contains one element).


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We wonna use the completeness of M somehow. Let (xn) be a sequence of elements such that xn\inFn. Then as diam(Fn)->0 we must have for a specific N that lxn - xml < ε for all m,n>N. Thus the sequence of (xn) is a Cauchy sequence and must be convergent in M due to the assumed completeness. Denote the limit by x. We must show that x\inFn for all n. But I am unsure how to this. And is this even the right approach? I don't have a lot of experience with proofs.
 
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Homework Statement


Let (M,d) be a complete metric space and define a sequence of non empty sets F1\supseteqF2\supseteqF3\supseteq such that diam(Fn)->0, where diam(Fn)=sup(d(x,y),x,y\inFn). Show that there \bigcapn=1Fn is nonempty (contains one element).


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The Attempt at a Solution


We wonna use the completeness of M somehow. Let (xn) be a sequence of elements such that xn\inFn. Then as diam(Fn)->0 we must have for a specific N that lxn - xml < ε for all m,n>N. Thus the sequence of (xn) is a Cauchy sequence and must be convergent in M due to the assumed completeness. Denote the limit by x. We must show that x\inFn for all n. But I am unsure how to this. And is this even the right approach? I don't have a lot of experience with proofs.

You are almost there. Now use that the sets Fn are closed. What does closed mean in terms of sequences?
 
I don't know what you are referring to sorry.
The only thing I can come up with is something like: Assume x is not a member of all Fn. Then we can pick diam(Fn)<ε and lx-xnl ≥ ε. But that is a contradiction. But I don't know if that is the right way to do it.
What did you mean by closed in terms of sequences?
 
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I don't know what you are referring to sorry.
The only thing I can come up with is something like: Assume x is not a member of all Fn. Then we can pick diam(Fn)<ε and lx-xnl ≥ ε. But that is a contradiction. But I don't know if that is the right way to do it.
What did you mean by closed in terms of sequences?

If a set F is closed and {xn} is a sequence in F that converges to x, then x is also in F. That's what I mean.
 
how do you prove that?
 
@aaa202 Your theorem is false as stated. Consider ##F_n = (0,\frac 1 n)##. Given the discussion so far, haven't you noticed that you haven't assumed ##F_n## is closed?
 
oops I forgot to say they were haha. But you are right I didn't say it and assumed it all along.
 
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how do you prove that?

How did you define closed and open?
 
Something like: An element is said to be on the boarder (I don't know the appropriate term in english) in a set if each sphere around it contains at least one element of the set. A set is closed if it contains all its boarder elements. I am sorry if this is not well translated - i hope you can understand.
 
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aaaa202 said:
Something like: An element is said to be on the boarder (I don't know the appropriate term in english) in a set if each sphere around it contains at least one element of the set. A set is closed if it contains all its boarder elements. I am sorry if this is not well translated - i hope you can understand.

Approximately right word, but it's spelled 'border'. 'boarder' is something else. In the sequence argument, isn't x on the border of F? And the F's being closed is so important, I guess I didn't even notice the problem statement didn't say that.
 
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Maybe? what makes you say that. I don't know
 
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Maybe? what makes you say that. I don't know

Every neighborhood of x contains points in F. Use that a sequence of points in F converges to x.
 

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