Proof that the product of 4 consecutive numbers is not a perfect square.

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The discussion centers around the proposition that the product of four consecutive integers is not a perfect square. Participants explore various approaches to prove this claim, including mathematical reasoning and hints for starting the proof.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express a desire to prove that the product of four consecutive integers is not a perfect square but indicate they are unsure where to begin.
  • One participant suggests that any four consecutive integers include one multiple of 4 and an odd multiple of 2, which may be relevant to the proof.
  • Another participant clarifies the meaning of "odd multiple of 2" in the context of the discussion.
  • A later post proposes a specific formulation of the problem, emphasizing that the integers should be different from 0.
  • One participant provides a detailed mathematical argument, assuming the product of four consecutive positive integers is a perfect square and leading to a contradiction.
  • Another participant suggests a practical approach by evaluating the function for specific values of n, noting that the results appear to be one less than a square, which could guide further investigation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the proposition that the product of four consecutive integers is not a perfect square, but the discussion remains unresolved as various methods and formulations are proposed without a consensus on a definitive proof.

Contextual Notes

Some participants mention specific conditions, such as focusing on positive integers or integers different from zero, which may affect the scope of the discussion. There are also unresolved mathematical steps in the arguments presented.

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Hey,

I was thinking and I realized that this is true and I want to prove it but I have nowhere to start. If anyone knows any way to prove can you give me some advice on where to start.
 
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speencer said:
Hey,

I was thinking and I realized that this is true and I want to prove it but I have nowhere to start. If anyone knows any way to prove can you give me some advice on where to start.
Hint: Any four consecutive integers include one multiple of 4 and an odd multiple of 2.
 
Opalg said:
Hint: Any four consecutive integers include one multiple of 4 and an odd multiple of 2.
And obviously "an odd multiple of 2" here means the product of 2 and an odd number, not a multiple of 2 that is odd.
 
speencer said:
Hey,

I was thinking and I realized that this is true and I want to prove it but I have nowhere to start. If anyone knows any way to prove can you give me some advice on where to start.

The correct formulation should be...

Prove that the product of four consecutive numbers all different from 0 is not a perfect square...

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Hello, speencer!

Prove that the product of four consecutive positive integers is not a perfect square.
The four consecutive positive integers are: .x,\,x+1,\,x+2,\,x+3

Suppose their product is a perfect square.
. . x(x+1)(x+2)(x+3) \:=\:k^2\;\text{ for some integer }k.

We have: .. . . x(x+3)\cdot(x+1)(x+2) \:=\:k^2

. . . . . . . . . . . . (x^2+3x)(x^2+3x+2) \:=\: k^2

. \big[(x^2+3x+1)-1\big]\big[(x^2+3x+1) + 1\big] \:=\:k^2

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . (x^2+3x+1)^2 - 1^2 \:=\:k^2

And we have: .(x^2+3x+1)^2 - k^2 \:=\:1
. . The difference of two squares is 1.

The only case is when: x^2+3x+1 \:=\:1\,\text{ and }\,k\:=\:0

If k = 0, then one of the four integers must be zero.
We have our contradiction.

Therefore, the product of four consecutive positive integers cannot be a square.
 
speencer said:
Hey,

I was thinking and I realized that this is true and I want to prove it but I have nowhere to start. If anyone knows any way to prove can you give me some advice on where to start.
To know how to start its a good idea to "get your hands dirty". Start putting values of $n$ in $f(n)=n(n+1)(n+2)(n+3)$.

You get:
$f(1)=24, f(2)=120, f(3)=360, f(4)=840$.
Each of these is equal to a one less a square.
So one can guess that $f(n)$ always is equal to $k^2-1$ for some $k$.
Then one can go ahead in the direction of proving it which many have done in the previous posts.
 

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