Proof using axioms for a field

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The discussion revolves around proving the property that (-a)(-b) = ab, assuming the context of a field and involving elements a and b from that field. The original poster references a problem from a linear algebra text and expresses difficulty in formal proof techniques.

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  • The original poster attempts to leverage a previous proof regarding the property of (-1)a = -a to approach the current problem. They express uncertainty after rewriting the expression and seek suggestions on how to proceed. Some participants question the value of (-1)(-1) and suggest proving it equals 1. Others propose rewriting the expression in terms of (-1)(-1) and working through the proof step by step.

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Participants have provided helpful guidance, including suggestions for rewriting expressions and exploring properties of multiplication and addition. The discussion reflects a collaborative effort to clarify reasoning and explore different aspects of the proof without reaching a definitive conclusion.

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The original poster notes their lack of recent experience with formal proofs, which may influence their confidence in tackling the problem. There is an emphasis on the axioms of fields, particularly properties of addition and multiplication, as foundational elements in the discussion.

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Hi, I am trying to work through Finite Dimensional Vector Spaces by Halmos, and I am having some difficulty with the first problem on page two (the specific problem is included below). The last class I took involving formal proofs was linear algebra about 8 years ago, and I am very rusty, but I am trying to regain some of those skills now. Here is the problem:

Homework Statement


Prove that (-a)(-b)=ab (assuming that F is a field and that a, b, and c belong to F)

Homework Equations


A reminder of the axioms:
addition is defined in the usual way, and it is commutative (a + b = b + a), associative (a + (b + c) = (a + b) + c), 0 is the unique additive identity such that a + 0 = a, and -a is the unique additive inverse such that a + -a = 0
multiplication is defined in the usual way:
it is commutative (ab = ba), associative (a(bc) = (ab)c), 1 is the unique additive identity such that a1 = a, and 1/a is the unique multiplicative inverse such that a(1/a) = 1.


The Attempt at a Solution


In the previous part of this problem I was asked to prove that (-1)a = -a, so I will use that proposition to prove the next part. I start out by using that to write:

(-a)(-b)=(-1)a(-1)b

However, once I write this I am stuck--for the past day I have been thinking about this off and on and have not been able to make any progress, and I was wondering if anyone could suggest how I should proceed.

Thank you for the help!
 
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Do you know what (-1)(-1) equals? If not could you prove it equals 1?
 
Thanks for the reply!
I forgot to include that multiplication is distributive with respect to addition:
a(b+c) = ab + ac (which I will use later)

Would it be ok to first rewrite (-1)a(-1)b as (-1)(-1)ab and then start working separately on the (-1)(-1) part?

like continuing the proof as

(-a)(-b) = (-1)(-1)ab

Then forgetting about a and b and working on (-1)(-1):

(1 + (-1))(-1) = 0 (1 + -1 = 0 (-1 is unique additive inverse of 1 such that 1 + -1 = 0) and I already had to prove that 0a = a0 = 0)

(-1)(1 + (-1)) = 0 (by commutativity of multiplication)

(-1)(1) + (-1)(-1) = 0 (multiplication is distributive w.r.t. addition)

-1 + (-1)(-1) = 0 (because 1 is multiplicative identity)
1 + -1 + (-1)(-1) = 1 + 0
(1 + -1) + (-1)(-1) = 1 + 0 (because addition is associative)
0 + (-1)(-1) = 1 + 0 (because 1 + -1 = 0)
(-1)(-1) + 0 = 1 + 0 (because addition is commutative)
(-1)(-1) = 1 + 0 (because a + 0 = a)
(-1)(-1) = 1 (because a + 0 = a)

Then plugging this result into

(-a)(-b) = (-1)(-1)ab
(-a)(-b) = 1ab
(-a)(-b) = ab

Is that an ok proof? How would a mathematician prove this? Thanks again for your reply.
 
yup looks good, so an outline would look like:

lemma 1: -a = (-1)a
lemma 2: (-1)(-1)=1
proof:
(-a)(-b) =(-1)a(-1)b
(-1)a(-1)b = (-1)(-1)ab
(-1)(-1)ab = 1ab
1ab = ab
 
Thanks a lot--especially for the outline!
 

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