Prooving pseudo-periodicity of diffracted field for gratings

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The discussion revolves around the derivation of the grating equation for perfectly conducting gratings, specifically focusing on the proof of pseudo-periodicity of the diffracted field. Participants explore boundary conditions for TE and TM waves, and the implications of these conditions on the scalar field defined in the context of the grating profile.

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  • One participant seeks clarification on deriving Dirichlet and Neumann boundary conditions from Maxwell's equations and the grating profile.
  • Another participant questions the application of the surface normal vector and its components in the derivation process.
  • There is a suggestion that the boundary conditions may not lead to the expected results when applying the normal vector to the magnetic field.
  • A participant proposes a logic sequence to prove pseudo-periodicity, involving the uniqueness of solutions to the Helmholtz equation and boundary conditions.
  • Concerns are raised about the validity of certain steps in the proof and whether the approach is sound.
  • Participants discuss the implications of the Helmholtz equation and the conditions necessary for proving periodicity in the context of the problem.

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Participants express differing views on the derivation of boundary conditions and the validity of the proposed proof for pseudo-periodicity. There is no consensus on the correctness of the steps taken or the overall approach to the problem.

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Participants note potential typos in the referenced PDF and highlight the need for careful evaluation of equations and assumptions made throughout the discussion. Some steps in the mathematical reasoning remain unresolved.

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Hi

for my thesis I wanted to show the complete derivation for the grating equation - case: perfectly conducting. The later steps are all no problem, but I am struggling with the proof of pseudo-periodicity. I found in my opinion a nice summary here: http://www.math.purdue.edu/~lipeijun/math598_f10/notes/notes.pdf

He starts with Maxwell, states the boundary conditions on the grating profile for TE and TM waves (page 25):

[itex]n \times (E_1 - E_2) = 0[/itex]
[itex]n \times (H_1 - E_2) = 0[/itex]

and then deduces the Dirichlet and Neumann boundary conditions for the scalar field u that he has defined before.

The two homogeneous conditions read (page 26)

[itex]u(x,f(x)) = 0[/itex]
[itex]\partial_n u (x,f(x)) = 0[/itex]

He states that the Dirichlet and Neumann boundary conditions directly follow, when E= (0,0,u) and H = (0,0,u). But I don't see how, as the normal vector has both x and y components, when moving along the grating profile.

If someone could point out how this simple form is derived I would be really grateful.spookyfw
 
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spookyfw said:
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Are you asking how to get from Eq. 2.2 to Eqns 2.3 and 2.4?
 
Thanks for looking into the pdf. Yes..thats exactly the step. To me it seems that he put n=(0,1,0). If you could shed some light...
 
any hints someone can give to tackle this problem?
 
Maybe I'm missing something, but if the surface normal n = (n1, n2,0), eqns 1.8 and 1.10 (and 2.2) result in 2.3 and 2.4. Can you show any of your work?
 
Thank you andy.

For the first part I agree:

(n1, n2, 0) x (0,0,u) = (n2 u, -n1 u, 0) = 0.

This directly implies that u = 0.

But to get the boundary condition for TM, I don't see it. Without applying any other equation you directly get the same boundary condition as before, as now H = (0,0,u) and hence u(x1,(f(x1)) = 0

I don't see how to bring this into the form

[itex]\nabla_n u = 0[/itex]

and even if..shouldn't there be only one boundary condition for the one section?
 
I found a few typos in the pdf (for example, 1.10; the first paragraph in section 2.3...). Anyhow, if you note that curl(H) = -ikE then you can (again) begin with n x E = 0 but substitute E_x = -1/ik (partial H_3/partial y), E_y = 1/ik(partial H_3/partial x), evaluate the cross product and obtain partial u/partial n.
 
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True that solves it. Thank you a lot. I was wondering though: in general it holds that

[itex]n \times (H_1 - H_2)[/itex]
Why does this not work here and just leads to the Dirichlet boundary conditions once again?

Is the following logic sound to finally prove pseudo-periodicity:

due to uniqueness of solutions to the Helmholtz equation if we show that

[itex]w(x1,x2) = u^d(x1 + D, x2) \cdot exp(-i D \alpha)[/itex] is a solution to the Helmholtz equation: [itex]\Delta u^d + \kappa^2 u^d = 0[/itex] and satisfies all boundary constraints (radiation condition and Dirichlet + Neumann) then w(x1,x2) has to be equal to u^d(x1,x2) and hence u is quasi-periodic.

Helmholtz equation:
plugging w into the equation
[itex]exp(-i D \alpha) \Delta u^d(x1 + D, x2) + \kappa^2 u^d(x1 + D, x2) exp(-i D \alpha) = 0[/itex]

As the the Helmholtz equation holds for [itex]u^d[/itex] and [itex]u^d(x1 + D, x2)[/itex] can be brought into the form [itex]u^d(x1',x2)[/itex]. It holds for w(x1,x2) as well.

Boundary conditions:

In TE polarization we then have to show that [itex]w + u^{inc} = 0[/itex] correct? But then we would have to proove that

[itex]u^d(x_1 + D, x_2) exp(-i D \alpha) + e^{i(\alpha x_1 - \beta x_2)} = 0[/itex]. I really don't know how to do that one. The whole proof seems a little fishy to me. Am I on the right track here, or is it completely off?

Thanks in advance for your help.
 
spookyfw said:
True that solves it. Thank you a lot. I was wondering though: in general it holds that

[itex]n \times (H_1 - H_2)[/itex]
Why does this not work here and just leads to the Dirichlet boundary conditions once again?

Offhand, I would say that it's due to the boundary conditions: n x H = K, where K is the surface current density: H = 0 inside a perfect conductor for oscillating fields.

spookyfw said:
Is the following logic sound to finally prove pseudo-periodicity:

<snip>

In TE polarization we then have to show that [itex]w + u^{inc} = 0[/itex] correct? But then we would have to proove that

[itex]u^d(x_1 + D, x_2) exp(-i D \alpha) + e^{i(\alpha x_1 - \beta x_2)} = 0[/itex]. I really don't know how to do that one. The whole proof seems a little fishy to me. Am I on the right track here, or is it completely off?

Thanks in advance for your help.

I haven't gone through the pdf file is great detail, but it seems that eqn 2.7 is substantively different than what you wrote above. In any case, are you just trying to work through the pdf to see if you get the same results?
 
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I wanted to prove the periodicity in x. All the resources I've found so far always used these handwaving arguments. But I wanted to see it coherently on paper why the proof works like that. Starting with that I stumbled on some problems.

[itex]w + u^{inc} = 0[/itex] was a mere try to somehow get started showing:
The boundary condition is also satisfied by observing that [itex]u^{inc}[/itex] is a quasiperiodic function and using the boundary condition of [itex]u^d[/itex].

Ha..that should show it in the end. No?

[tex]\begin{eqnarray} u^d(x,y) &=& -u^{inc} \\<br /> u^d(x+\Lambda,y) &=& -u^{inc} (x+\Lambda, y) \\<br /> {} &=& - u^{inc} e^{i\lambda \Lambda} \\<br /> u^d(x+\Lambda, y) e^{-i\lambda \Lambda}&=& -u^{inc} \\<br /> w^d &=& -u^{inc}<br /> \end{eqnarray}[/tex]

Likewise it can be shown that

[tex]\partial_n w^d = - \partial_n u^{inc}[/tex]

That should complete the proof if I am not mistaken. Thank you for the lead :).
 

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