Prop 11.3.5-4: Peter's Help with Garling's The Annihilator of a Set

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The discussion revolves around formulating a proof for Proposition 11.3.5-4 from D. J. H. Garling's book regarding the relationship between a set and its double annihilator in the context of metric and normed spaces.

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  • Peter seeks assistance in proving that \( A \subseteq A^{ \bot \bot } \) and presents his reasoning and steps towards a proof.
  • Peter defines the annihilator \( A^{ \bot } \) and the double annihilator \( A^{ \bot \bot } \) and attempts to show that if \( u \in A \), then \( u \in A^{ \bot \bot } \) by using properties of inner products.
  • Some participants affirm the correctness of Peter's proof, noting the importance of the symmetry in the inner product, \( \langle x,y\rangle = 0 \Longleftrightarrow \langle y,x\rangle = 0 \).

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There appears to be agreement among some participants regarding the correctness of Peter's proof, though it is not universally confirmed, and the discussion does not resolve whether there are any errors in the proof.

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Participants do not explicitly address any missing assumptions or dependencies in the proof, nor do they clarify the scope of the proof's applicability.

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I am reading D. J. H. Garling's book: "A Course in Mathematical Analysis: Volume II: Metric and Topological Spaces, Functions of a Vector Variable" ... ...

I am focused on Chapter 11: Metric Spaces and Normed Spaces ... ...

I need some help in order to formulate a proof of Proposition 11.3.5 - 4 ...

Garling's statement and proof of Proposition 11.3.5 reads as follows:
View attachment 8964Can someone please help me formulate a formal and rigorous proof that $$A \subseteq A^{ \bot \bot }$$ ... ... ?Help will be much appreciated ...

Peter
 

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Peter said:
I am reading D. J. H. Garling's book: "A Course in Mathematical Analysis: Volume II: Metric and Topological Spaces, Functions of a Vector Variable" ... ...

I am focused on Chapter 11: Metric Spaces and Normed Spaces ... ...

I need some help in order to formulate a proof of Proposition 11.3.5 - 4 ...

Garling's statement and proof of Proposition 11.3.5 reads as follows:
Can someone please help me formulate a formal and rigorous proof that $$A \subseteq A^{ \bot \bot }$$ ... ... ?Help will be much appreciated ...

Peter

I have been reflecting on my post above ...

I think I have a proof ... but not sure ... we proceed as follows ...We have $$A^{ \bot } = \{ x \in V \ : \ \langle a, x \rangle = 0$$ for all $$a \in A \}$$

and

$$A^{ \bot \bot } = \{ y \in V \ : \ \langle b, y \rangle = 0$$ for all $$ b \in A^{ \bot } \}$$Now ... ... let $$u \in A$$ ...

then $$u \in A^{ \bot \bot }$$ if $$ \langle b, u \rangle = 0 \ \forall \ b \in A^{ \bot }$$But $$b \in A^{ \bot } \Longrightarrow \langle a, b \rangle = 0 \ \forall \ a \in A$$

$$\Longrightarrow \langle u, b \rangle = 0$$

$$\Longrightarrow \overline{ \langle b, u \rangle} = 0$$

$$\Longrightarrow \langle b, u \rangle = 0$$

$$\Longrightarrow u \in A^{ \bot \bot }$$... so that $$u \in A \Longrightarrow u \in A^{ \bot \bot }$$

Hence $$A \subseteq A^{ \bot \bot }$$
Can someone please confirm that the above proof is correct and/or point out errors and give a correct version of the proof ...

Peter
 
Yes, that's completely correct. When dealing with annihilators and second annihilators, you need to get used to the fact that $\langle x,y\rangle = 0 \Longleftrightarrow \langle y,x\rangle = 0$.
 
Hi Peter.

Yep, the proof looks correct to me. (Yes)
 

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