Propagation of Uncertainty with Angles

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The discussion revolves around the propagation of uncertainty in measurements related to angles derived from distances in an experimental context. The original poster is unsure how to propagate uncertainties through their calculations involving trigonometric functions.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the mathematical background necessary for understanding uncertainty propagation, with references to multivariable calculus and error analysis. There are attempts to clarify the general formula for error propagation and specific calculations related to the original poster's experiment.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided guidance on the mathematical principles involved, and the original poster has shared their calculations for feedback. There is an ongoing exploration of different approaches to calculating uncertainties, with no explicit consensus reached yet.

Contextual Notes

The original poster expresses uncertainty about the propagation of uncertainties and the adequacy of their calculations, while others suggest alternative values for accuracy in the context of their measurements.

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Homework Statement


I conducted an experiment which involves measuring two distances (Y and L) and have used tan to determine the angle, then finally calculated the sine of the angles for use in my analysis.

I have uncertainties in both length measurements and am unsure how to propagate the uncertainties the way through.


Homework Equations


Unsure of what equation to use here.


The Attempt at a Solution


Unsure where to start really.

Thanks.
 
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What level of mathematics have you taken? If you've taken multivariable calculus, it will be really simple to explain.
 
I am currently taking multivariable calculus so that would be great
 
If δf is the uncertainty of a function of f(x1,x2,...,xn) each with error δxi, then the most general equation for the error is (\delta f)^2=\sum_{i=1}^n(\delta x_i \frac{\partial f}{\partial x})^2. If you want a derivation, I would recommend reading Introduction to Error Analysis by Taylor.
 
Thanks so much, I think I have it.

Would you mind having a look over my calculations? I am 100% sure of them as I would expect a far greater error.



Example Calculations:
θ=arctan(6/28)
θ=0.21 radians
sinθ=0.21

Propagation of Uncertainty:
Let r= y/L
∆r= (√((∆y/y)^2+ (∆L/L)^2 ))r
θ=arctan(r)
∆θ=(d(arctan(r))/dr) ∙ ∆r
∆θ(1/d)= 1/(r^2+1) (√((∆y/y)^2+ (∆L/L)^2 ))r

At smallest value:
∆θ(0.5)= 1/((6/28)^2+1) (√((0.25/6)^2+ (0.1/28)^2 ))(6/28)
∆θ=0.00857
∆θ=0.01
At maximum value:
∆θ(0.5)= 1/((18/28)^2+1) (√((0.25/18)^2+ (0.1/28)^2 ))(18/28)
∆θ=0.00652
∆θ=0.01
Therefore the uncertainty in all calculations is 0.01 as this is the limit of the precision in the original measurements.
 
I would have used 0.009 and 0.007 for the two accuracies. Propagation of uncertainty is one of the few cases where I would recommend plugging in numbers at every step. That is because
\frac{\delta r}{\sqrt{r^2+1}}
is easier to calculate than
\frac{\sqrt{\left(\frac{\delta y}{L}\right)^2+\left(\frac{y\times\delta L}{L^2}\right)^2}}{\sqrt{\left(\frac{y}{L}\right)^2+1}}
 

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