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The discussion revolves around the application of the comparison theorem in evaluating improper integrals, specifically focusing on integrals involving trigonometric functions and rational expressions. Participants are exploring convergence and divergence of integrals through comparative analysis.

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  • Participants discuss the validity of using the maximum value of cosine to simplify integrals. There are inquiries about how to apply the comparison theorem effectively, with examples provided for both convergent and divergent cases. Some participants seek clarification on breaking down complex integrals and finding appropriate comparisons.

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The conversation is active, with participants providing hints and guidance on how to approach the comparison theorem. There is an exchange of ideas regarding the conditions under which certain integrals converge or diverge, and participants are exploring different interpretations of the problems presented.

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Some participants express confusion regarding specific integrals and the need for additional hints, indicating that the discussion is still in a formative stage with various interpretations being considered.

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[tex]\int_{0}^{\frac{pi}{2}} \frac{cos(x)}{x^{1/2}} dx[/tex]

[tex]\int_{0}^{\frac{pi}{2}} \frac{cos(x)}{x^{1/2}} dx \le \int_{0}^{\frac{pi}{2}} \frac{1}{x^{1/2}} dx[/tex]

This would mean that the original equation was convergent. Was my reasoning correct in making the numerator 1 since the max value of cos(x) is 1?

Also, are there any hints you guys can give me for using the comparison theorem? Thanks.
 
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PCSL said:
[tex]\int_{0}^{\frac{pi}{2}} \frac{cos(x)}{x^{1/2}} dx[/tex]

[tex]\int_{0}^{\frac{pi}{2}} \frac{cos(x)}{x^{1/2}} dx \le \int_{0}^{\frac{pi}{2}} \frac{1}{x^{1/2}} dx[/tex]

This would mean that the original equation was convergent. Was my reasoning correct in making the numerator 1 since the max value of cos(x) is 1?

Also, are there any hints you guys can give me for using the comparison theorem? Thanks.

Yes. It looks like you have the idea. Generally if you think something converges you would overestimate the numerator and/or underestimate the denominator to get an integrand that is both

1. Easier
2. Convergent.

And everything is just the opposite if you are trying to show an integral diverges.
 
Thanks!

Would this one be correct?

[tex]\int_{\frac{1}{2}}^{1} \frac{1}{x(1-x)^{\frac{1}{3}}} dx \le \int_{\frac{1}{2}}^{1} \frac{1}{(1-x)^{\frac{1}{3}}} dx[/tex]

Also, I'm a little confused on how I would break up

[tex]\int_{0}^{\frac{1}{3}} \frac{sec(\pi x)}{1-3x} dx[/tex]

Could I have a hint?
 
1/(x*(1-x)^(1/3)) is GREATER than 1/((1-x)^(1/3)) on [1/2,1). Do you see why? (1/x) is GREATER than 1. For the second one, sketch a graph. What are the max and min values of sec(pi*x) on [0,1/3]?
 
Dick said:
1/(x*(1-x)^(1/3)) is GREATER than 1/((1-x)^(1/3)) on [1/2,1). Do you see why? (1/x) is GREATER than 1. For the second one, sketch a graph. What are the max and min values of sec(pi*x) on [0,1/3]?

Haha, now the second one makes total sense but I'm lost on the first one (1/(x(1-x)^(1/3). I have to find an equation that is greater than the original correct?
 
PCSL said:
Haha, now the second one makes total sense but I'm lost on the first one (1/(x(1-x)^(1/3).

I assume your given function is (1/(x(1-x)^(1/3)). Split it into (1/x)*(1/(1-x)^(1/3)). What are the max and min values of (1/x) for x in the range [1/2,1]?
 
Dick said:
I assume your given function is (1/(x(1-x)^(1/3)). Split it into (1/x)*(1/(1-x)^(1/3)). What are the max and min values of (1/x) for x in the range [1/2,1]?

Could I do

[tex]\int_{\frac{1}{2}}^{1} \frac{1}{x(1-x)^{\frac{1}{3}}} dx \le \int_{\frac{1}{2}}^{1} \frac{1}{2(1-x)^{\frac{1}{3}}} dx[/tex]
 
PCSL said:
Could I do

[tex]\int_{\frac{1}{2}}^{1} \frac{1}{x(1-x)^{\frac{1}{3}}} dx \le \int_{\frac{1}{2}}^{1} \frac{1}{2(1-x)^{\frac{1}{3}}} dx[/tex]

Close. 1/x <= 2. So (1/x)*(1/(1-x)^(1/3))<=2*(1/(1-x)^(1/3)). I hope that's what you meant.
 
Dick said:
Close. 1/x <= 2. So (1/x)*(1/(1-x)^(1/3))<=2*(1/(1-x)^(1/3)). I hope that's what you meant.

Yes! Thank you for your help!
 

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